Falsifiability and the God Question: Category Error?

[Dānu]

[Rhythmcs]

Concluding Remarks

It turned out that there was no one here willing (Danu) or able (the rest of you) to make a cogent argument that an expanded epistemology is an illegitimate path to a reasoned belief.

An expanded epistemology?  Tell me, who's the only person here who keeps saying that under absolutely no circumstance, ever, may a person use one of the many tools available to assess their silly god beliefs?

[Astreja]

(holds up scorecard with 5.2) Nice flounce, but didn't stick the landing. 

[Deesse23]

The confidence, the completely unwarranted confidence....combined with utter ignorance. A real train wreck. Next thing you hear from Steve is that he demands Mathildas job.

For the sake of this forum, please ban this idiot, whose only contribution is to be poisonous. It would make him a honest man, having promised he'll never return anyway. Let's get this over with, once and for all.

[SYZ]

ETA: this banning mob mentality is indicative of the problem. I have generated more discussion in the Atheism and Philosophy subforums (the subforums most likely to be browsed by a prospective member) than any single person in the history of this site. Members have written thousands of on-topic replies to me and I to them--hundreds of thousands of words and over 700,000 views to the just the threads I started. That's the guy who needs to be banned next...

I know this moral coward and hypocrite won't see this, but it's intended
for the vast majority of clear-thinkers, rationalists, and humanist atheists
here—rather than an ignorant, one-eyed, wilfully belligerent theist like
SteveII.  The above self-serving drivel is typical of just out of touch he is.

That he pats himself on the back for claiming his "record" post and response
numbers on this forum simply illustrates that the vast majority (all?) our
responses were in order to correct, elucidate, or educate him on matters
religious, not as he thinks—absurdly—that it was because he's so smart or
so articulate or so convincing.

I note he's said he won't return, but I'd still call for his
official banning in order to officially reinforce that, and
his commencing another farrago of untruths, copy-pasting,
AI-generated responses, personal insults, and generalised
bullshit.

[Szuchow]

The confidence, the completely unwarranted confidence....combined with utter ignorance. A real train wreck. Next thing you hear from Steve is that he demands Mathildas job.

For the sake of this forum, please ban this idiot, whose only contribution is to be poisonous. It would make him a honest man, having promised he'll never return anyway. Let's get this over with, once and for all.

Idiots are often confident. Dumbos at work that barely can read without moving their lips never preface their opinions with "in my opinion", "I think", or "it's likely", they just state them as facts. Why should dumbos on the internet be any different?

[TheGentlemanBastard]

ETA: this banning mob mentality is indicative of the problem. I have generated more discussion in the Atheism and Philosophy subforums (the subforums most likely to be browsed by a prospective member) than any single person in the history of this site. Members have written thousands of on-topic replies to me and I to them--hundreds of thousands of words and over 700,000 views to the just the threads I started. That's the guy who needs to be banned next...

Well are't you just a legend in your own mind.

Get bent, ass hat.

I can promise you one thing: I will not come back...

Pretty please!

You won't be missed.

[Szuchow]

ETA: this banning mob mentality is indicative of the problem. I have generated more discussion in the Atheism and Philosophy subforums (the subforums most likely to be browsed by a prospective member) than any single person in the history of this site. Members have written thousands of on-topic replies to me and I to them--hundreds of thousands of words and over 700,000 views to the just the threads I started. That's the guy who needs to be banned next...

Well are't you just a legend in your own mind.

Get bent, ass hat.

I can promise you one thing: I will not come back...

Pretty please!

You won't be missed.

Jesus said he will return and he didn't whereas steve says he won't return and yet he will be back. Perhaps even before rooster will crow twice.

[emjay]

The confidence, the completely unwarranted confidence....combined with utter ignorance. A real train wreck. Next thing you hear from Steve is that he demands Mathildas job.

For the sake of this forum, please ban this idiot, whose only contribution is to be poisonous. It would make him a honest man, having promised he'll never return anyway. Let's get this over with, once and for all.

Are you aware that a few posts after our misunderstanding, Steve posted and said that he was not a pastor like you thought he was? Does that make any difference here?

When I saw that I didn't bring it up at the time because I thought that was between you two... not my business. But now it feels more relevant to bring up.

If you still want him gone, for the sake of the forum, as I said I wouldn't object to that at all... the last thing I want is people feeling truly depressed/upset by the presence of him, or anyone... including me; if you'd rather I wasn't here, just say so... please... just be blunt with me; don't be silent with me out of politeness or whatever (and that goes out to everyone), I just have real difficulty reading people sometimes, sadly you the most, so we often have misunderstandings... reading between the lines, reading sarcasm etc, because I read things too literally... because of what I consider to be an Asperger's Syndrome trait; I don't have an official diagnosis of that but many people around me think I am, and so do I.

So in other words, for the sake of my mental health, which frankly is even/much more fucked up after that operation, in terms of moods and depression, and even getting slightly involved in this thread has made even worse... so to be frank, I probably need a break from the site to get back on top of things mentally... for the sake of that mental health, I'd really appreciate if everyone was just blunt with me, all the time. If you don't like me, or want me to fuck off, or whatever, just say so, be blunt... as sad as that might be to hear, ultimately it will be much better for my mental health, than people being silent out of politeness or whatever. Thank you.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

This planet has a bad case of humans. Work continues on finding a cure.

[Deesse23]

The confidence, the completely unwarranted confidence....combined with utter ignorance. A real train wreck. Next thing you hear from Steve is that he demands Mathildas job.

For the sake of this forum, please ban this idiot, whose only contribution is to be poisonous. It would make him a honest man, having promised he'll never return anyway. Let's get this over with, once and for all.

Are you aware that a few posts after our misunderstanding, Steve posted and said that he was not a pastor like you thought he was? Does that make any difference here?

When I saw that I didn't bring it up at the time because I thought that was between you two... not my business. But now it feels more relevant to bring up.

I dont think so. What bs he peddles is relevant, not so much why, particularly since he seems to be immune to learning and thus change.

If he was a pastor or not, he still posts the same bullcrap, he still is overly confident considering his grave errors wrt basic reasoning, he is still dishonest, trying to shoehorn his very specific deity into our forum by pretending its a philosophical discussion. It has already been mentioned that he is engaged in apologetics, hiding as philosophy. Whatever bullshit he is peddlig here, ultimately it does not matter why.

He is dishonest, incompetent and ridiculously overconfident and impressed with himself claiming to be the savior (pun intended) of this forum. He is toxic and 100% useless, no matter why.

[Deesse23]

So in other words, for the sake of my mental health, which frankly is even/much more fucked up after that operation, in terms of moods and depression, and even getting slightly involved in this thread has made even worse... so to be frank, I probably need a break from the site to get back on top of things mentally... for the sake of that mental health, I'd really appreciate if everyone was just blunt with me, all the time. If you don't like me, or want me to fuck off, or whatever, just say so, be blunt... as sad as that might be to hear, ultimately it will be much better for my mental health, than people being silent out of politeness or whatever. Thank you.

If you feel instable, then i agree 100% you should refrain from this forum for a while, or at least from topics and people so toxic as Steve and his religious bullcrap. Dont waste your time and energy with that crap, let others do this. Focus on your self, on your real life. Life is all about priorities.

[SYZ]

...If you [Deesse] still want him gone, for the sake of the forum, as I said I wouldn't object to that at all...

Yes; Steve was (is?) what's called an elder at his church.
Apparently passages in Timothy, Titus, and Peter clearly
outline the character standards required for eldership.
And their god’s high calling for an elder’s character is clear.

Their god emphasises the character traits he/she is looking
for in an elder because an elder represents him/her before
the church and the world.

In my opinion, if this is true, then judging by his performance
on this forum, Steve failed miserably when regarding his character
and his hypocritical, patronising attitudes towards atheists—or
people who disagree with or question his religious beliefs.

The last thing I want is people feeling truly depressed/upset by the presence of him, or anyone... including me; if you'd rather I wasn't here, just say so... please... just be blunt with me; don't be silent with me out of politeness or whatever (and that goes out to everyone)...

No mate... I want you here, and I'm sure the other regular posters
here do too.  You've always posted thoughtful, respectful, and relevant
comments.  And that's something to be personally gratified with in this
era of online bullying and the reproachment of others on public forums.

So in other words, for the sake of my mental health, which frankly is even/much more fucked up after that operation, in terms of moods and depression, and even getting slightly involved in this thread has made even worse... so to be frank, I probably need a break from the site to get back on top of things mentally... for the sake of that mental health, I'd really appreciate if everyone was just blunt with me, all the time. If you don't like me, or want me to fuck off, or whatever, just say so, be blunt... as sad as that might be to hear, ultimately it will be much better for my mental health, than people being silent out of politeness or whatever. Thank you.

By all means, if you feel you need a temporary break in order to maybe
better gather your thoughts or create a bit more internalised calm, feel
free to do so.  You can even pop in occasionally and check out what’s going
on here without posting anything—no problem.      

(If you like you can view the forum without notifying anybody you're here.  
Under your User Control Panel→Edit Options→Privacy you can select
"Hide me From the Who's Online list".)

[emjay]

So in other words, for the sake of my mental health, which frankly is even/much more fucked up after that operation, in terms of moods and depression, and even getting slightly involved in this thread has made even worse... so to be frank, I probably need a break from the site to get back on top of things mentally... for the sake of that mental health, I'd really appreciate if everyone was just blunt with me, all the time. If you don't like me, or want me to fuck off, or whatever, just say so, be blunt... as sad as that might be to hear, ultimately it will be much better for my mental health, than people being silent out of politeness or whatever. Thank you.

If you feel instable, then i agree 100% you should refrain from this forum for a while, or at least from topics and people so toxic as Steve and his religious bullcrap. Dont waste your time and energy with that crap, let others do this. Focus on your self, on your real life. Life is all about priorities.

Thanks, I think I will follow your advice and try to have a break then, at least from these sorts of threads/issues. I haven't slept properly all week, and I haven't been able to figure out why, but my guess is because of getting more involved in all this sort of stuff on the forum. I haven't even meditated properly for the last few days either... I miss that, cos it was really helping me get through everything. So, yeah, I'll leave it to you guys, you guys who actually deal with him regularly, and have a break... and try and get back into the meditation and mindfulness, that was actually really helping. I'm pretty sure the Buddha would say 'don't get drawn into all this sort of crap' So yeah, see you round, and thanks for this

[emjay]

Are you aware that a few posts after our misunderstanding, Steve posted and said that he was not a pastor like you thought he was? Does that make any difference here?

When I saw that I didn't bring it up at the time because I thought that was between you two... not my business. But now it feels more relevant to bring up.

I dont think so. What bs he peddles is relevant, not so much why, particularly since he seems to be immune to learning and thus change.

If he was a pastor or not, he still posts the same bullcrap, he still is overly confident considering his grave errors wrt basic reasoning, he is still dishonest, trying to shoehorn his very specific deity into our forum by pretending its a philosophical discussion. It has already been mentioned that he is engaged in apologetics, hiding as philosophy. Whatever bullshit he is peddlig here, ultimately it does not matter why.

He is dishonest, incompetent and ridiculously overconfident and impressed with himself claiming to be the savior (pun intended) of this forum. He is toxic and 100% useless, no matter why.

Fair enough. In that case, I'll just step out now, and leave it to you guys... you guys who actually deal with him regularly... to figure out what to do with him, or not.

[pattylt]

Regarding Steve’s final comment, isn’t he either self banning or declaring his future absence? If so, just make it official. We didn’t ban him, he banned himself.

[brewerb]

We could start a pool on the number of days he stays out.