theory from pure observation

[HumbleBeauty]

allow me to speak to you

feel good if you read this post

focus on these words

allow yourself to relax in your chair

let Love teach you

use your reasoning abilities to understand these words

remember to breath in and out

silence your mind

relax your gaze

open your mind to new possibilities of comprehension

meditate on these words

research any of these words you're unfamiliar with

surrender to morality

understand these words

prove you have compassion for the godless by sharing this post

allow yourself to know that Love exists


realize harmony with the universal consciousness







Assuming nothing but synonyms, negation of contradiction, contraposition, and scientific facts;

D; definition
S; synonym
Nc; negation of contradiction
Cp; contraposition
F; scientific fact
C; conclusion


(1) F; "nothing exists" is "absurd"

(2) (1) Nc; "something exists" is "absolutely true"

(3) D and F; "time is a relationship of change between existing things"

(4) F and (1,2,3) C; "atleast two differentially changing things exist"

(5) F; "everywhere everything exists from prior states of the existence of things"

(6) (4,5) C; "nothing cannot have existed"

(7) (6) Nc; "something has always existed"

(8) F; "something exists everywhere"

(9) D, S, and F; spacetime or energy is measured by the duration (time) over distance (space)

(10) F; "energy exists"

(11) F; "every experiment ever constructed shows that everything is made of energy"

(12) (10,11) C; "monism exists"

(13) F; "every cause involves energy"

(14) (11,12,13) C; "energy is self-causal"

(15) S; "self-causal", "self-deterministic", and "teleological"

(16) S; "self-determinism" and "consciousness"

(17) (14,15,16) C; "energy is consciousness"

(18) F; "energy cannot be created nor destroyed"

(19) (7,18) C; "energy is eternal"

(20) F; "zero-point energy is in every single point in space"

(21) (8,20) C; "zero-point energy is omnipresent"

(22) (19,21) C; "zero-point energy is eternal and omnipresent"

(23) D and F; "power is the transformation of energy"

(24) (14,15,16,19,21) C; "eternal and omnipresent energy is omnipotent"

(25) (12,17,19,21,24) C; "consciousness is eternal, omnipresent, omnipotent, monism"

(26) S; "conscious, eternal, omnipresent, omnipotent, monism" and "God"

(27) (25,26) C; "God exists"

[Paleophyte]

Spammy sock

[polymath257]

allow me to speak to you

feel good if you read this post

focus on these words

allow yourself to relax in your chair

let Love teach you

use your reasoning abilities to understand these words

remember to breath in and out

silence your mind

relax your gaze

open your mind to new possibilities of comprehension

meditate on these words

research any of these words you're unfamiliar with

surrender to morality

understand these words

prove you have compassion for the godless by sharing this post

allow yourself to know that Love exists


realize harmony with the universal consciousness







Assuming nothing but synonyms, negation of contradiction, contraposition, and scientific facts;

D; definition
S; synonym
Nc; negation of contradiction
Cp; contraposition
F; scientific fact
C; conclusion


(1) F; "nothing exists" is "absurd"

(2) (1) Nc; "something exists" is "absolutely true"

(3) D and F; "time is a relationship of change between existing things"

(4) F and (1,2,3) C; "atleast two differentially changing things exist"

(5) F; "everywhere everything exists from prior states of the existence of things"

(6) (4,5) C; "nothing cannot have existed"

(7) (6) Nc; "something has always existed"

(8) F; "something exists everywhere"

(9) D, S, and F; spacetime or energy is measured by the duration (time) over distance (space)

(10) F; "energy exists"

(11) F; "every experiment ever constructed shows that everything is made of energy"

(12) (10,11) C; "monism exists"

(13) F; "every cause involves energy"

(14) (11,12,13) C; "energy is self-causal"

(15) S; "self-causal", "self-deterministic", and "teleological"

(16) S; "self-determinism" and "consciousness"

(17) (14,15,16) C; "energy is consciousness"

(18) F; "energy cannot be created nor destroyed"

(19) (7,18) C; "energy is eternal"

(20) F; "zero-point energy is in every single point in space"

(21) (8,20) C; "zero-point energy is omnipresent"

(22) (19,21) C; "zero-point energy is eternal and omnipresent"

(23) D and F; "power is the transformation of energy"

(24) (14,15,16,19,21) C; "eternal and omnipresent energy is omnipotent"

(25) (12,17,19,21,24) C; "consciousness is eternal, omnipresent, omnipotent, monism"

(26) S; "conscious, eternal, omnipresent, omnipotent, monism" and "God"

(27) (25,26) C; "God exists"

Everything from  11 on is problematic. No, it is NOT a scientific fact that everything is 'made of' energy. 15 1nd 16 are not synonyms. In fact, they are wrong.

[c172]

"Self-casual".....

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OK, not even 20 minutes up and my brain just broke.

[Cavebear]

At least that was a bit new and different.

[Paleophyte]

Everything from  11 on is problematic.

You made it to 11?!? I couldn't get past 3. Looks like a long list of non-sequiturs.

[Cavebear]

Everything from  11 on is problematic.

You made it to 11?!? I couldn't get past 3. Looks like a long list of non-sequiturs.

Well, yeah, most made little sense. But I love "Murphy's Laws" and have a book of corollaries. One of my favorites is "Fudd's First Law Of Opposition". To wit, "You can't fall off the floor". Just a humor insert...

[TheGentlemanBastard]

@HumbleBeauty
Is that you, SubtleVirtue?

[Dexta]

I have pity for OP. Well gone...for now; there's hope for them yet.

[brewerb]

I'm pretty sure it's realted to this guy: Christopher Langan/CTMU

[HumbleBeauty]

Spammy sock

I would like to continue our discussion of radio dating methods...

[HumbleBeauty]

Everything from  11 on is problematic. No, it is NOT a scientific fact that everything is 'made of' energy. 15 1nd 16 are not synonyms. In fact, they are wrong.

What is everything made of?

[HumbleBeauty]

Everything from  11 on is problematic.

You made it to 11?!? I couldn't get past 3. Looks like a long list of non-sequiturs.

if time isn't a relationship of change between existing things, what is it?

[HumbleBeauty]

@HumbleBeauty
Is that you, SubtleVirtue?

I don't know why I was banned by "atheist forums" but I was enjoying the conversation and look forward to learning from you guys.

[Cavebear]

Everything from  11 on is problematic. No, it is NOT a scientific fact that everything is 'made of' energy. 15 1nd 16 are not synonyms. In fact, they are wrong.

What is everything made of?

Pieces that make up quarks that we haven't discovered yet...

[HumbleBeauty]

I have pity for OP. Well gone...for now; there's hope for them yet.

"Maybe atheism doesn't have burden of proof because it's impossible to prove an invisible, silent, utterly undetectable thing doesn't exist."

Can a fish prove the existence of water?


Jehovah is not completely silent... I can hear him psychically, in my feeling and thoughts and inclination.

[HumbleBeauty]

What is everything made of?

Pieces that make up quarks that we haven't discovered yet...  

are those pieces theorized to be made of energy?

quarks are made of energy!

[Cavebear]

I have pity for OP. Well gone...for now; there's hope for them yet.

"Maybe atheism doesn't have burden of proof because it's impossible to prove an invisible, silent, utterly undetectable thing doesn't exist."

Can a fish prove the existence of water?


Jehovah is not completely silent... I can hear him psychically, in my feeling and thoughts and inclination.

Not that I was very surprised, but OOOOOOKKKKKKAAAAAY... You're on the ignore list...

[Fireball]

I posed the under/over question on AF, but forgot to put in a bid. I give this entity less than two weeks, starting today.

[brewerb]

god = energy

If that trips your trigger it's fine by me.

[HumbleBeauty]

I posed the under/over question on AF, but forgot to put in a bid. I give this entity less than two weeks, starting today.

why?

I obey the rules... I talk peaceably, I look to learn.


for the record;


I am like an atheist in that I do not worship God.

[HumbleBeauty]

god = energy

If that trips your trigger it's fine by me.

no God exists save energy


theists hate that lol

[Rhythmcs]

...except jehovah...ofc

[Paleophyte]

You made it to 11?!? I couldn't get past 3. Looks like a long list of non-sequiturs.

if time isn't a relationship of change between existing things, what is it?

That depends on how you use the term. It can be used loosely to refer to either the duration that we experience for/between events or for the dimension of space-time. Using it the way that you are is a beautiful example of equivocation.

[Paleophyte]

Spammy sock

I would like to continue our discussion of radio dating methods...

Fire away.