Is Wokeism Best Understood as a Religion?

[Vorpal]

 

Do theists get to be offended because you've defined them as that?

It is their perogative. They can do what they wanna do.

After all, it's only atheists who talk about theists. They've never even heard the word before because everyone they know believes in God. And when you ask why they're offended all they can do is say that the term is "woke".

I have never seen anyone offended by this usage, but I think I know what your getting at. Westerners called Native Americans Indians because they incorrectly thought they had reached India.  On one llevel who cares how another language or dialect refers to you when it is in a language you do not speak. On another level within a multicultural society, sensitivity to power differences that could be preserved in language use would be well advised. It makes sense that minority group members be given ample input on what words are to be used to describe them.

Other questions remain. There probably is such a thing as being over-offended. What level of inconvenience is there? What level of ire is actually transmitted by metacommunication?

When a disinfranchised group is being rightly elevated, should they be given carte blanche to refer to the previous power group members derogatorally?  

So you ask them what they are and they say they're a male heterosexual as if that's somehow relevant.

It is hard to be different, and it is very hard to be very different. I think this will hold true even when there is absolutely no prejudice. Sometimes letting a large trend create a default makes practical sense.  In a convention of nursery school teachers given that at most 2% will be men, should the presenters be compelled to use nongendered pronouns and avoid tailoring accomodations specifically for women?  Personally, being specifically referenced somewhere and only sometimes is practical rather than malicious.  A problem would exist when a group is treated as if they were absolutely invisable.

[Atheist / theist is on equal footing. Whereas atheists and not-atheists others us and implies that we're the ones who are different. And that's very useful if you want to purge deviants from a newly established theocracy.

I do not think this is a good example because the prefix a- simply means not. It's a disntinction without a difference. There is probablly another example that would serve yopur point better.

[mordant]

    Wokeism is a wank.  End of story.

These days it's just a right-wing straw-man.  Republicans love railing against that kind of thing for some weird reason, although it makes them look silly.  They use the term more than anyone else, by far.

They like it because it's a dog whistle for their bigotry and hatred toward the non-conforming. A nice one-syllable dismissal of everything you despise. It implies the person is supercilious and oh-so-smart and enlightened when they are actually a degenerate. To their mind someone who is "woke" has an illegitimate moral high ground over the REAL morality which is being "normal" -- white, heterosexual, religious, willfully ignorant and, really, male.

[Thumpalumpacus]

They like it because it's a dog whistle for their bigotry and hatred toward the non-conforming.

"Woke" encapsulates everything they hate -- tolerance, nonconformity as you mention, anything that differs from the "good old days".

It's funny in a way, one of the presidents they most admire -- Truman -- desegregated the military and probably laid the groundwork for Brown v Board of Education. They love his "buck stops here" attitude, but reject what he actually fought for.

There's a lot of incogency in their thinking. They hate FDR and LBJ, but cry mightily if Social Security or Medicare might be defunded. They don't mind Big Gov't ™ for white folk.

[Cavebear]

These days it's just a right-wing straw-man.  Republicans love railing against that kind of thing for some weird reason, although it makes them look silly.  They use the term more than anyone else, by far.

They like it because it's a dog whistle for their bigotry and hatred toward the non-conforming. A nice one-syllable dismissal of everything you despise. It implies the person is supercilious and oh-so-smart and enlightened when they are actually a degenerate. To their mind someone who is "woke" has an illegitimate moral high ground over the REAL morality which is being "normal" -- white, heterosexual, religious, willfully ignorant and, really, male.

I've never understood the conservative use of "woke" as a pejorative... It means being awake/aware of social problems. What is wrong with that? Is not being aware of societal problems somehow a good thing?

[Rhythmcs]

Is that a trick question, lol?

[Cavebear]

Is that a trick question, lol?

Please remember to identify the subject of your post. Replies aren't always linear or direct follow-ups..

[Rhythmcs]

Yes. Practicing unawareness about societal problems is a good thing to right wing wokists. It's a utilitarian good to it's organizers, and it's a cultural good to it's demographics.

If you dialed back the focus to include the whole field of propaganda this comes from you'd see that's it's primary goal. In the words of one of it's most relevant current architects, the aim is to drive up negative perceptions of the brand. To decodify a term and recodify it as encompassing the entire range of cultural constructs unpopular with american voters. All it really means is black, OFC. When people talk about woke shit white american voters all across the country hear black shit, which is the bad shit, and their eyes roll back up into their heads. MarxistwokecrtdeiOBAMA!....all of it just means black. However, as lee atwater infamously explained a generation before..a picture of the kind of swamp our current creatures come from...you can't just come out and say that. So you say "bussing". So you say "taxes". You make it abstract. It's all still just n** n** N**!

We are more racist now, than we where then. The movement escaped it's cultural confines in the deep south by appropriating the language of civil rights. It has been systematically occupying county and state governments and flooding the federal bench. It now squats in the white house, with a trifecta. It's not coincidental that we're already talking about building more concentration camps again. Wokism is the civil religion of white nationalists.

[mordant]

Yes.  Practicing unawareness about societal problems is a good thing to right wing wokists.  It's a utilitarian good to it's organizers, and it's a cultural good to it's demographics.

If you dialed back the focus to include the whole field of propaganda this comes from you'd see that's it's primary goal.  In the words of one of it's most relevant current architects, the aim is to drive up negative perceptions of the brand.  To decodify a term and recodify it as encompassing the entire range of cultural constructs unpopular with american voters.  All it really means is black, OFC.  When people talk about woke shit white american voters all across the country hear black shit, which is the bad shit, and their eyes roll back up into their heads.  MarxistwokecrtdeiOBAMA!....all of it just means black.  However, as lee atwater infamously explained a generation before..a picture of the kind of swamp our current creatures come from...you can't just come out and say that.  So you say "bussing".  So you say "taxes".  You make it abstract.  It's all still just n** n** N**!

We are more racist now, than we where then.  The movement escaped it's cultural confines in the deep south by appropriating the language of civil rights.  It has been systematically occupying county and state governments and flooding the federal bench.  It now squats in the white house, with a trifecta.  It's not coincidental that we're already talking about building more concentration camps again.  Wokism is the civil religion of white nationalists.

I wouldn't go so far to say that universally woke = black. More generally, woke = different. Black, brown, non-English speaking or ESL, non-heteronormative, neuro-atypical, non-citizen, can all be involved. It is the nonconformity that they object to, because they see sharing as taking ... life is entirely a zero-sum game to them. If you're a southern Bible Belt type then you may well think of that as primarily an issue of blackness ... but transplant that person into, say, a Detroit neighborhood full of Arab-Americans and their culture, and they will readily adapt to be equally bigoted about THAT.

[Vorpal]

And, Rhythmics is actually the new woke ally, a useful idiot. He is an equal opportunity basher of the old woke, the new woke, and anyone who tries to discuss the subject at all without completely bashing the new woke ie what he would call the half-woke. half-wit. His homogenizing actually serves his purported enemy. Rhythmics works to support polarization because what would he do with all the winter clothing he has purchased to reside on one of the poles? Lumping the people of nuance in with the offenders accomplishes his goal right well.

[Rhythmcs]

I wouldn't go so far to say that universally woke = black. More generally, woke = different. Black, brown, non-English speaking or ESL, non-heteronormative, neuro-atypical, non-citizen, can all be involved. It is the nonconformity that they object to, because they see sharing as taking ... life is entirely a zero-sum game to them. If you're a southern Bible Belt type then you may well think of that as primarily an issue of blackness ... but transplant that person into, say, a Detroit neighborhood full of Arab-Americans and their culture, and they will readily adapt to be equally bigoted about THAT.

Arab shit is black shit to dominionists.  Ask malcom x, or afghanistan, or iraq. Not that it matters, as decoding and recoding a term to refer to everything unpopular to identitarian white america is an expansive effort. That it all finds it's native terra firma in our nations original sin is no more surprising than a sunrise.

[Rhythmcs]

And, Rhythmics is actually the new woke ally, a useful idiot. He is an equal opportunity basher of the old woke, the new woke, and anyone who tries to discuss the subject at all without  completely bashing the new woke ie what he would call the half-woke. half-wit.  His homogenizing actually serves his purported enemy.  Rhythmics works to support polarization because what would he do with all the winter clothing he has purchased to reside on one of the poles? Lumping the people of nuance in with the offenders accomplishes his goal right well.

There is no old woke.  That's the comedy of right wing wokists insisting everyone must now be made to pay for a leftist utopia that never was.  The tragedy being that it works.

[SYZ]

And, Rhythmics is actually the new woke ally, a useful idiot. He is an equal opportunity basher of the old woke, the new woke, and anyone who tries to discuss the subject at all without  completely bashing the new woke ie what he would call the half-woke. half-wit.  His homogenizing actually serves his purported enemy.  Rhythmics works to support polarization because what would he do with all the winter clothing he has purchased to reside on one of the poles? Lumping the people of nuance in with the offenders accomplishes his goal right well.

Fuck me dead mate...

From what fount of stupidity do you draw     
all this sort of meaningless bullshit?

[Vorpal]

And, Rhythmics is actually the new woke ally, a useful idiot. He is an equal opportunity basher of the old woke, the new woke, and anyone who tries to discuss the subject at all without  completely bashing the new woke ie what he would call the half-woke. half-wit.  His homogenizing actually serves his purported enemy.  Rhythmics works to support polarization because what would he do with all the winter clothing he has purchased to reside on one of the poles? Lumping the people of nuance in with the offenders accomplishes his goal right well.

Fuck me dead mate...

From what fount of stupidity do you draw     
all this sort of meaningless bullshit?

Crickey, stone the cows, my bloke.

I thought you would get it right off, matie.
I was emulating the style o' Rhythmc.

Sorry you hated it  .
Try your hand at it if you think it 
is so easy.  And, pass the Vegamite!

Prediction SYZ will give a low effort imitation of Vorpal. Something like "Hi, I am Vorpal a total wanke I am delusional and overestimate my IQ by fifty points"