How is Christianity able to grow in Atheist Communist China inspite of persecution?

[Xavier]

As most people know, there is significant persecution of Religious Believers in Atheist Communist China, both Christians, Muslims, and other Religions. Yet, in spite of that, as the below Telegraph Article documents, Christianity is able to grow so fast that some predict that by 2030 there will be more Churchgoers in China than in America. How is that possible? 

"China on course to become 'world's most Christian nation' within 15 years

The number of Christians in Communist China is growing so steadily that it by 2030 it could have more churchgoers than America"

It is said to be China's biggest church and on Easter Sunday thousands of worshippers will flock to this Asian mega-temple to pledge their allegiance – not to the Communist Party, but to the Cross..."


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne...years.html

[SaxonX]

Yet another pointless spam thread .....Time to employ the ban hammer

[Inkubus]

No, don't!

I've never laughed this much since me granny caught her tits in the mangle.

[Cavebear]

No, don't!

I've never laughed this much since me granny caught her tits in the mangle.

I am guessing you mean "a machine for ironing laundry by passing it between heated rollers". I remember Gramma having one of those. OK "ouch". LOL!

[Inkubus]

No, don't!

I've never laughed this much since me granny caught her tits in the mangle.

I am guessing you mean "a machine for ironing laundry by passing it between heated rollers".  I remember Gramma having one of those.  OK "ouch".  LOL!

These things broke more fingers than catholic nuns.

[Dexta]

I remember reading that the Chinese government were actively encouraging PROTESTANT christianity in the country these days - probably a further move in an attempt to replicate the USAs socio-economic model in order to increase wealth.

[brewerb]

As most people know, there is significant persecution of Religious Believers in Atheist Communist China, both Christians, Muslims, and other Religions. Yet, in spite of that, as the below Telegraph Article documents, Christianity is able to grow so fast that some predict that by 2030 there will be more Churchgoers in China than in America. How is that possible? 

"China on course to become 'world's most Christian nation' within 15 years

The number of Christians in Communist China is growing so steadily that it by 2030 it could have more churchgoers than America"

It is said to be China's biggest church and on Easter Sunday thousands of worshippers will flock to this Asian mega-temple to pledge their allegiance – not to the Communist Party, but to the Cross..."


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne...years.html

You're going to need to change your avatar. Let me help.

[Dānu]

Yet more fallacious arguments from incredulity.

[Deesse23]

How can cancer grow, despite so much chemotherapy?

[SYZ]

As most people know, there is significant persecution of Religious Believers in Atheist Communist China, both Christians, Muslims, and other Religions. Yet, in spite of that, as the below Telegraph Article documents, Christianity is able to grow so fast that some predict that by 2030 there will be more Churchgoers in China than in America. How is that possible? 

"China on course to become 'world's most Christian nation' within 15 years

The number of Christians in Communist China is growing so steadily that it by 2030 it could have more churchgoers than America"

It is said to be China's biggest church and on Easter Sunday thousands of worshippers will flock to this Asian mega-temple to pledge their allegiance – not to the Communist Party, but to the Cross..."


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne...years.html

LOL... nope.  This report is ten years old, and its claims
have already been refuted.

Professor Fenggang Yang, a leading expert on religion in China,
believes that number will swell to around 160 million by 2025.

But... as of 2023, there are approximately 44 million practicing
Christians in China—38 million Protestants and 6 million Catholics.

   —White Paper on China's Policies and Practices in Protecting Freedom of Religious Belief, 26 May 2024.

It's more than easy to disprove your absurd claims with
actual statistics than you realise, you dopey dickhead.           

[Xavier]

Here's a source that estimates it at 100 MN in 2023: "Over the past four decades, Christianity has grown faster in China than anywhere else in the world. Daryl Ireland, a Boston University School of Theology research assistant professor of mission, estimates that the Christian community there has grown from 1 million to 100 million. What led to that explosion, centuries after the first Christian missionaries arrived in China? The BU scholars behind the China Historical Christian Database aim to find out."

https://www.bu.edu/articles/2023/why-is-...-in-china/ Your silly insults mean nothing.

[Cavebear]

I am guessing you mean "a machine for ironing laundry by passing it between heated rollers".  I remember Gramma having one of those.  OK "ouch".  LOL!

These things broke more fingers than catholic nuns.

And yet, it was the good tech at the time. Also, have to smile. I just bought a wringer mop bucket. I needed some serious floor mopping and a regular bucket just wasn't enough. I was just spreading the dirt around more evenly. No obvious spots, but not overall cleaner either.

[Dānu]

Here's a source that estimates it at 100 MN in 2023: "Over the past four decades, Christianity has grown faster in China than anywhere else in the world. Daryl Ireland, a Boston University School of Theology research assistant professor of mission, estimates that the Christian community there has grown from 1 million to 100 million. What led to that explosion, centuries after the first Christian missionaries arrived in China? The BU scholars behind the China Historical Christian Database aim to find out."

https://www.bu.edu/articles/2023/why-is-...-in-china/ Your silly insults mean nothing.

Really? A figure that a theology student pulled out of his ass? This is your standard for evidence?

[Xavier]

Not a student, an Assistant Professor. Read carefully.

[Dānu]

Not a student, an Assistant Professor. Read carefully.

Same question.

Some journalists, scholars and Christian advocacy groups have suggested that Christianity in China continues to grow rapidly in the 21st century and that Christians are on track to make up a majority of the population there by 2050.

But survey data from the Chinese General Social Survey (CGSS) does not show ongoing growth. Between 2010 and 2018, the share of Chinese adults who formally identify with Christianity remained stable at about 2%, according to the CGSS. Roughly nine-in-ten Christians in China are Protestant.

Some scholars have suggested that the coronavirus pandemic prompted increased religiosity in China. But the most recent wave of the CGSS – conducted in 2021, during the pandemic – provides no hint of a revival of Christian identity. Only 1% of respondents formally identified with Christianity that year.

[emphasis mine]

China’s Christian population appears to have stopped growing after rising rapidly in the 1980s and ’90s

You're just another liar for Jesus. Don't you stupid fucks even read your own book? I'm sure it says something about lying.

[epronovost]

Here's a source that estimates it at 100 MN in 2023: "Over the past four decades, Christianity has grown faster in China than anywhere else in the world. Daryl Ireland, a Boston University School of Theology research assistant professor of mission, estimates that the Christian community there has grown from 1 million to 100 million. What led to that explosion, centuries after the first Christian missionaries arrived in China? The BU scholars behind the China Historical Christian Database aim to find out."

https://www.bu.edu/articles/2023/why-is-...-in-china/ Your silly insults mean nothing.

Even if we were to accept your new 100 million Christian in China (which would be a little bit more than double the official number of 44 million and the highest estimate I have found from another credible is 67 million), this is still far lower than the number of Christian in the US which hovers around 210 million. Considering it's growth rhythm and population dynamic in China, there is almost no chance for the Christian population of China to rival that of the US before 2030. 

Do you accept that the claim of your OP was vastly inflated? Do you think it would have been more humble of you to double check your data before posting?

[Xavier]

Epronovost, if the estimate proves to be not true by 2030, I will happily admit it. I am aware that some of the figures are contested, unlike e.g. the figures for Africa which are widely accepted. One reason some keep their conversion low key is the Persecution.

Please note Pew Research mentions this, stating: "Some media reports and academic papers have suggested the Christian share may be larger, with estimates as high as 7% (100 million) or 9% (130 million) of the total population, including children."

From: https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/202...istianity/

[Dānu]

Epronovost, if the estimate proves to be not true by 2030, I will happily admit it. I am aware that some of the figures are contested, unlike e.g. the figures for Africa which are widely accepted. One reason some keep their conversion low key is the Persecution.

Please note Pew Research mentions this, stating: "Some media reports and academic papers have suggested the Christian share may be larger, with estimates as high as 7% (100 million) or 9% (130 million) of the total population, including children."

From: https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/202...istianity/

So, in other words, we don't know, and your entire argument is built on speculation. Why do you think that is a good argument?

"Accurate data on Chinese Christians is difficult to access." - Wikipedia

[mordant]

This is no different than the silly claim that people dying for a cause prove the cause is right and just and valid. Only applies to Christianity though, not the Branch Davidians or the Jonestown cult. Same here ... people wouldn't put up with persecution if it weren't true, yet somehow I think Xavier is not a Jehovah's Witness -- they have been persecuted for their faith (including by the Nazis) and the cult has grown anyway. Or the Mormons -- persecuted, driven from the east coast to central Illinois to Utah by persecution and yet they thrived.

[epronovost]

I am aware that some of the figures are contested

Wouldn't an honest and humble person qualify their number as such. Why didn't you state that the estimated number precisely and provided the official number at the same time in your OP? Is it not deceitful not to be open with such data with the people you attempt to convince and impress?

Please note Pew Research mentions this, stating: "Some media reports and academic papers have suggested the Christian share may be larger, with estimates as high as 7% (100 million) or 9% (130 million) of the total population, including children."

From: https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/202...istianity/

What makes you believe the number of church going Christians in China will more than double in a little bit more than 5 years. This seems statistically almost impossible? While Christianity has been growing in certain parts of China since the communist party has relaxed its rule on proselytism and religious schools and will probably continue to do so, what makes you believe in a very short period of time (5-6 years) the number will more than double?

[mordant]

What makes you believe the number of church going Christians in China will more than double in a little bit more than 5 years. This seems statistically almost impossible? While Christianity has been growing in certain parts of China since the communist party has relaxed its rule on proselytism and religious schools and will probably continue to do so, what makes you believe in a very short period of time (5-6 years) the number will more than double?

Meh, even if they quadrupled or grew a hundred fold it wouldn't be a validation of Christianity or some sort of miracle. It would just be an argument from popularity fallacy.

[epronovost]

What makes you believe the number of church going Christians in China will more than double in a little bit more than 5 years. This seems statistically almost impossible? While Christianity has been growing in certain parts of China since the communist party has relaxed its rule on proselytism and religious schools and will probably continue to do so, what makes you believe in a very short period of time (5-6 years) the number will more than double?

Meh, even if they quadrupled or grew a hundred fold it wouldn't be a validation of Christianity or some sort of miracle. It would just be an argument from popularity fallacy.

Of course this is absolutely correct, but I was wondering what made Xavier so confident despite being wrong on the numbers.

[Dānu]

He isn't confident. He has every reason to know that his arguments are bullshit. He simply doesn't care. He's just another amoral proselytizer.

[SYZ]

Here's a source that estimates it at 100 MN in 2023: "Over the past four decades, Christianity has grown faster in China than anywhere else in the world. Daryl Ireland, a Boston University School of Theology research assistant professor of mission, estimates that the Christian community there has grown from 1 million to 100 million. What led to that explosion, centuries after the first Christian missionaries arrived in China? The BU scholars behind the China Historical Christian Database aim to find out."

https://www.bu.edu/articles/2023/why-is-...-in-china/ Your silly insults mean nothing.

[my bold)

Committed Christian Daryl Ireland "estimates"
the 100m Christian population in China?

Seriously?  No empirical data?  Just his guesstimate LOL.

Here's a scenario for you to consider Xavier...

If you had a magical time machine, and were transported
back to biblical times, and met Jesus, and if you were to suck
him off, would you spit or swallow?

          

[Deesse23]

Not a student, an Assistant Professor. Read carefully.

Oh, wow, a PROFESSOR pulled it out of his ass!? How impressive and convincing.

Now go back to your basement, pray real hard for three days*, ask your god for convincing arguments and evidence for us commie atheists here. Then come back and show us what he gave you. If it does not convince us, you didnt pray hard enough and arent a true christian, which, i suppose, will end bad for you (hint: its getting hot, very hot for you).


* and you gotta be really, i mean REALLY sincere, since god wouldnt listen otherwise