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08-20-2024, 02:41 PM
Dawkins: Unlike Islam, Christianity a fundamentally decent Religion.
(08-20-2024, 04:47 AM)Xavier Wrote: Pedophilia is a mortal sin worthy of eternal hell-fire. But there are more pedophiles among secular school teachers than Catholic Priests. So why don't you "hector" them? I condemn all pedophiles.
I single out priests and preachers because they claim to be the deliverers of true morality, and I will point out hypocrites. I understand that you're uncomfortable with the attention your Catholic priests get for fucking altarboys. The fact that your church tolerates them is shameful.
Rather than trying to deflect -- or coming here with your preachy horseshit -- shouldn't you be busy trying to clean up your own corrupt organization? Rather than pointing your finger at teachers, shouldn't you be holding your priests accountable, and cleaning up your corrupt organization?
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08-20-2024, 02:49 PM
Dawkins: Unlike Islam, Christianity a fundamentally decent Religion.
(08-20-2024, 01:28 PM)Szuchow Wrote: I've never read this one.
It documents his last few years in the USSR and first year in the West. It has a lot of musings in it too.
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08-20-2024, 02:52 PM
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Dawkins: Unlike Islam, Christianity a fundamentally decent Religion.
(08-20-2024, 06:03 AM)Xavier Wrote: I never claimed to be the "best" of anything. I strive to be a humble servant of Truth. All I wish for Atheists is they go to Heaven and gain Eternal Happiness for themselves. If they want to, great. If they don't want to, that's also fine. The arguments and evidences that establish the Truth are out there and those who want to know the Truth will be able to find it. That's all Christ told His disciples to do. As St. Bernadette said, "My job is to inform, not to convince".
Good grief, who the hell ever taught you what humility is? You are humble in the same way a millionaire is generous when he rolls down the window of his luxury Mercedes to hand out a few coins to a beggar before driving off. Is it too much to ask for you not to delude yourself into thinking you have a virtue you definitely do not have? Adopting a saintly tone and a missionary style does not give you any of the virtue of any real "saintly person".
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08-20-2024, 03:38 PM
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Dawkins: Unlike Islam, Christianity a fundamentally decent Religion.
(08-20-2024, 02:41 PM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Rather than trying to deflect -- or coming here with your preachy horseshit -- shouldn't you be busy trying to clean up your own corrupt organization? Rather than pointing your finger at teachers, shouldn't you be holding your priests accountable, and cleaning up your corrupt organization? Yup -- "unto whom much is given, much is expected". Also I question the claim that more public school teachers molest their students than priests molest altar boys. There are a lot more public teachers (3.2 million) than priests (34,000 or 0.03 million) so if you're comparing numbers of victims saying there are more public school students molested than altar boys is meaningless. I'd want to know what PERCENTAGE of each are molested. An unknowable figure in absolute terms probably, but how many reported incidents are there relative to the total universe of persons?
It's also telling that it would take way less to shut down a public school or at least fire its teachers if there was widespread abuse, than it is to shut down a parish or diocese. Our diocese here has had to file bankruptcy there were so many victims -- and yet, they continue to exist. I've NEVER heard the claim that pedophile teachers are protected and encouraged by systemic defects -- they are always one-off outliers, there aren't whole NESTS of them with leadership eager to enable them and sweep things under the carpet. And they are always fired and disgraced and will never work in the profession again, they aren't simply moved to another school to repeat their offenses.
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08-20-2024, 03:46 PM
Dawkins: Unlike Islam, Christianity a fundamentally decent Religion.
The fact that teachers provide a demonstrably useful service is also important. Whether there is any benefit from the ministrations of priests is unknown. Thus teachers are justifiable; priests are not.
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08-20-2024, 03:48 PM
Dawkins: Unlike Islam, Christianity a fundamentally decent Religion.
(08-20-2024, 02:49 PM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: (08-20-2024, 01:28 PM)Szuchow Wrote: I've never read this one.
It documents his last few years in the USSR and first year in the West. It has a lot of musings in it too.
I think I will give it a chance.
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08-20-2024, 03:57 PM
Dawkins: Unlike Islam, Christianity a fundamentally decent Religion.
(08-20-2024, 06:03 AM)Xavier Wrote: "My job is to inform, not to convince". That is a pretty open admission to preaching/proselytizing. Guess what: I want to convince you, and i want to be convinced if you have convincing arguments. Thats the difference between the two of us: I am a honest interlocutor.
The only completely uninformed one here is you, but you wouldnt know because......you are uninformed. Thats the tragedy of your christian life. Complete waste of time, complete unawareness of that same fact. The god part is: Its your life you are wasting.
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08-20-2024, 04:14 PM
Dawkins: Unlike Islam, Christianity a fundamentally decent Religion.
(08-20-2024, 06:03 AM)Xavier Wrote: I never claimed to be the "best" of anything. I strive to be a humble servant of Truth. All I wish for Atheists is they go to Heaven and gain Eternal Happiness for themselves. If they want to, great. If they don't want to, that's also fine. The arguments and evidences that establish the Truth are out there and those who want to know the Truth will be able to find it. That's all Christ told His disciples to do. As St. Bernadette said, "My job is to inform, not to convince".
The number of criminals in prison protesting their innocence is innumerable. You're just another criminal protesting your innocence.
Btw, you're assuming that St. Bernadette had the right of it. That's a rather convenient assumption.
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08-20-2024, 05:27 PM
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Dawkins: Unlike Islam, Christianity a fundamentally decent Religion.
(08-20-2024, 02:23 PM)SYZ Wrote: (08-20-2024, 06:03 AM)Xavier Wrote: I never claimed to be the "best" of anything. I strive to be a humble servant of Truth. All I wish for Atheists is they go to Heaven and gain Eternal Happiness for themselves. If they want to, great. If they don't want to, that's also fine. The arguments and evidences that establish the Truth are out there and those who want to know the Truth will be able to find it. That's all Christ told His disciples to do. As St. Bernadette said, "My job is to inform, not to convince".
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This is blatant proselytising!
Agreed ban the preacher
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08-20-2024, 05:37 PM
Dawkins: Unlike Islam, Christianity a fundamentally decent Religion.
Nobody can choose what to believe, we only believe what we perceive to be the truth. Inform is it? Allow me to inform you Xavier of the plot of the Harry Potter novels.
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08-20-2024, 05:40 PM
Dawkins: Unlike Islam, Christianity a fundamentally decent Religion.
(08-20-2024, 05:40 AM)Xavier Wrote: Minimalist, read the Jewish Rabbis and Jewish Scholars I quoted. They explain the reality.
Fuck them, too.
All of these fuckers are marketers. They are selling a product and gullible fools like you eat it up.
You are a True Believer. As far as I am concerned that is a gross insult. Try thinking once in a while.
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08-20-2024, 05:42 PM
Dawkins: Unlike Islam, Christianity a fundamentally decent Religion.
(08-20-2024, 05:40 PM)Minimalist Wrote: (08-20-2024, 05:40 AM)Xavier Wrote: Minimalist, read the Jewish Rabbis and Jewish Scholars I quoted. They explain the reality.
Fuck them, too.
All of these fuckers are marketers. They are selling a product and gullible fools like you eat it up.
You are a True Believer. As far as I am concerned that is a gross insult. Try thinking once in a while.
If he were to say I think, therefore I am he would disappear.
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08-20-2024, 05:56 PM
Dawkins: Unlike Islam, Christianity a fundamentally decent Religion.
If you want a deep dive into just how corrupt and hypocritical the RCC actual is, read In the Closet of the Vatican by Frederic Martel. Written in French and translated into English, it’s an eye opener to those that have their heads in the sand.
He investigates the gay clergy, nuncios and even the Swiss guard. He shows how they operate while hiding and often condemning their fellow gay clergy. His estimates of gay clergy is around 65% (I think?) and nuncios at over %80. He exposes their ways they hide their sexual activities and how they dog whistle who they are. Can you say expensive watches, high end clothing and their furnishings…all to wink at others in the club. The hypocrisy just drips…
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08-20-2024, 06:19 PM
Dawkins: Unlike Islam, Christianity a fundamentally decent Religion.
Power corrupts.....and they've been in power for 15 centuries.
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