Dawkins: Unlike Islam, Christianity a fundamentally decent Religion.

[adey67]

Christianity is as moral and decent as HUMAN SACRIFICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Also Christianity: The JEW murders GOD!!!!!!!!! Kill 'em.......

Also: Abase yourself, accept responsibility for a death you CANNOT have caused, and you MIGHT be safe -- depending on which of the 10000 denominations -- if any -- is the true religion.

Fuck. You.

And Dawkins is a Biologist and should stick with his day job.

Exactly, I lost almost all respect for Dawkins when he criticized the X Files as contributing to irrationality. It's called fiction Richard, sheesh.

[Thumpalumpacus]

We should start a pool on how long he lasts.

He'll last longer here.

[SaxonX]

So some counters to Xavier

Dawkins recently admitted that, even according to him, Christianity is far better than Islam.

So that's like saying cyanide is less poisonous then Sarin  that doesn't make cyanide good 

Atheism has hardly brought Atheist North Korea for e.g. to Peace and Prosperity.

That's because they have embraced the trappings of religion into a personality cult it has nothing to do with not accepting magic

Anyway, Christ's/Christianity's teachings are clearly superior to Mohammed's/Islam's

1.9 billion people say otherwise I think they both suck


Lastly why should anyone care which religion Dawkins prefers?

[Minimalist]

I hope to live long enough to see the decline of these fuckheads completed!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decline_of...%20Zealand.

[color=var(--color-emphasized,#000)]Decline of Christianity in the Western world[/color]


A decline of Christian affiliation in the Western world has been observed in the decades since the end of World War II. While most countries in the Western world were historically almost exclusively Christian, the post-World War II era has seen developed countries with modern, secular educational facilities shifting towards post-Christian, secular, globalized, multicultural and multifaith societies.

While Christianity is currently the predominant religion in Latin America,[1] Europe,[2] Canada[3][4] and the United States,[5] the religion is declining in many of these areas, particularly in Western Europe,[6][7] North America,[8] and Australia and New Zealand. A decline in Christianity among countries in Latin America's Southern Cone has also contributed to a rise in irreligion in Latin America.[9]

[Inkubus]

We should start a pool on how long he lasts.

He'll last longer here.

Of course he will. Whole basket fulls of logical fallacy's with lashing of Gish. He'll be the new darling.

[Shai Hulud]

My fellow Catholic dude, if you're trotting out the "atheism = responsible for atrocities of communism" apologetic, North Korea is the absolute worst "communist" state to try and use as an example, since it's not an atheist state, it has a nationalized cult ideology.  North Korea operates under a "communist" adjacent ideology known as Juche, and as a result, operates under a quasi-religious framework where Kim il Sung, the founder of North Korea, is the eternal ruler, and people get married, and then immediately make an offering of flowers to the statue of its founder, Kim Il Sung.  As long as it isn't February 16, or April 15, of course, as no weddings are allowed on the divine birthdays of North Korea's leaders.  

Under Juche, the only way to hold truly correct consciousness in all matters, including spiritual, is to align yourself entirely with the will of the only person to hold that correct consciousness, the "suryong," also known as the leader of North Korea.  Under Juche, the tombs of Kim Il Sung and his son Kim Jung Il are known as "sacred temples."  Though it really is interesting, because there are pillars of Juche as a philosophy, and two additional doctrines of Juche added over the years, it basically boils down to, "Whatever we need it to be, as long as you essentially worship the Kim family as God Kings."*


*Huh, no wonder Trump got along with Kim Jung Un, it's basically his dream.  A subverted and captive faith that idolizes the leader.  Not directed at you, just a small "oh that tracks" moment I had while typing up stuff on Juche.  

 

Edit:

I'm going to get this out of the way first: Dawkins is not as important to atheism as Christian apologists seem to think he is.  

It amazes me how he's held up as a combination of bogeyman and atheist Pope by so many.  My mother found a copy of a book of apologetics designed specifically as a counter to The God Delusion and threw it away, while visiting me, freaking out at the mere sight of Dawkins name.  (Nothing of value was lost; if anything, Dr. Scott Hahn's Answering the New Atheism book was a damning indictment of apologetics that only made a stronger case for The God Delusion itself, by being such a steaming pile of crap. He should stick to dismantling Evangelical stuff that he doesn't also concur with, it's his strong suit.)

[Thumpalumpacus]

He'll last longer here.

Of course he will. Whole basket fulls of logical fallacy's with lashing of Gish. He'll be the new darling.

The moderation over there doesn't tolerate preaching etc so much as the staff here. There's also the fact that he's already on the sock-radar there.

[Minimalist]

My dog has a favorite chew toy, too.

[Szuchow]

On another site the point is made that these leaders like Un and Stalin and Pol Pot were not just atheists. They were men. They were men who wore pants. They were a lot of things. Why not decry pants-wearing men because a handful of them were ruthless dictators, and promoted other men wearing pants?

In addition, the inconvenient fact is that if such a leader even suspects you of being disloyal, you will be hanged. Stalin for example purged atheists, artists, AND religions persons. There is no imaginary ceremony where a citizen renounces Jesus and then is immune to any restrictions or outrages and has total freedom.

First point that should be made was one stating that marxism-leninism was religion, so SU as a proof of atheism crimes is nothing but pure hilarity, especially when one remember that Stalin was in seminary. One could also say something about pathetic staying power of christian "morality", which crumbled faster than biblical walls of Jericho when it was confronted with allegedly atheistic values. Not that christian "morality" was ever any good at stopping any atrocity as both distant past and more recent events like Shoah can attest.

[Deesse23]

An atheist, like Pol Pot, could be a murderous psychopath. That does not make Atheism murderous. An atheist, like Bill Gates, could be a philanthropist, that does not make atheism benevolent. Atheism does not, in any way, inform people to be violent and murderous. It does not inform people of anything, because its not a philosophy or ideology, but a state of mind: The absence of belief in a deity.

Christianity however, oh boy...: Not suffering witches to live, stoning unruly children, (male) homosexuality, endorsement of slavery, commanding genocide, the list is endless
BUT
remember: You gotta LOVE them!

[SYZ]

I'm going to get this out of the way first: Dawkins is not as important to atheism as Christian apologists seem to think he is.  He's someone who managed to express some important ideas in a clear and compelling way and say some things that really needed to be said... and who has since kinda jumped off the deep end into some unsavory positions.  We might respect some of the comments he made one or two decades ago and how he phrased them, but that's it...

Yes. Agree totally. Dawkins today has become a
mere self-styled caricature of the Dawkins of 20
years ago... sadly.

In simple terms he became too big for his boots,
and almost seemed to see himself—ironically—as
some sort of atheist demigod! I take no notice of
him any more; I think he's let the side down in
the attainment of fame and fortune.

[SYZ]

What about Atheism? Atheism has hardly brought Atheist North Korea for e.g. to Peace and Prosperity...

The fact that you describe North Korea as an "atheist country"
illustrates that again you have little idea of what atheism means.

Atheism has no doctrines, no divine leader, no holy book, no dogma,
no specific political character, and no unique places of worship.  It's
simply a personal state of mind—nothing more, nothing less.

And atheists have no collective, one-size-fits-all state of mind about
everything, or anything, in particular.  You're confusing atheism with
organised religions.

At any rate, the North Korean social system has been likened to a
religious cult on many levels. Eternal President Kim Il Sung and his
successors of the same bloodline have been portrayed as divine beings. 
The North Korean calendar even begins in 1912, which is the birth
year of Kim Il Sung LOL.

[Dexta]

Generally speaking the most atheistic countries are those of Nordic mainland Europe - radically more peaceful, harmonious and crime free than, say, the heavily Christian USA.

[pattylt]

I’m also tired of Christian’s comparing atheism to communism. Communism is an economic system. Is Christianity also an economic system? Should Christianity be compared solely to capitalism? (Rather hard to do that as the Bible tends to spout socialism or…communism and ignores capitalism because it didn’t know what that was…oh, omnipotent god!)

[Minimalist]

Of course it is.  The thieves have been stealing everything they can get their hands on since the 5th century.

[Minimalist]

Of course...let us not forget that islam really does suck balls.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c303ddrlzd9o

Iranian woman paralysed after being shot over hijab

A mother of two has been left paraplegic after being shot by Iranian police over an alleged violation of the country's strict hijab rules, a source with knowledge of the case has told the BBC.

"She is paralysed from the waist down, and doctors have said it will take months to determine whether she will be permanently paraplegic or not."

Thuggish cult of ignorance.

[Szuchow]

I’m also tired of Christian’s comparing atheism to communism.  Communism is an economic system.  Is Christianity also an economic system?  Should Christianity be compared solely to capitalism?  (Rather hard to do that as the Bible tends to spout socialism or…communism and ignores capitalism because it didn’t know what that was…oh, omnipotent god!)

Communism is more a philosophical project and end state of Marxist thought than anything else; with it's withering away of state it's not merely economic system but utopia. Additionally in currents of Marxist-Leninist faith communism would be something akin to paradise - a promise eternally unfulfilled but inspiring people to work toward achieving/entering into it.

[pattylt]

I think Islam needs to be filtered and diluted by the Western world just as Christianity was. Both religious texts are barbaric and inhumane but Christians have (somewhat) learned to ignore those parts. Islam arose in a barbaric Middle East and, I hope, eventually water down the atrocities to become a somewhat more mild religion.

Likely won’t happen in my lifetime but I really think it will either die from self destruction or change in order to survive.

[Minimalist]

It took a series of brutal wars in the West to finally convince xtians that the church could not be trusted.  That was spurred by the fact that the crazed protestants were active in all of those countries and thus living side by side with crazed catholicks.

Islam has attained a significant measure of ethnic cleansing over the centuries.  The minorities in islamic countries are indeed "minor." They are no threat to the established order.  So disputes would be between nations.  That wouldn't be so bad except we just can't keep our noses out of things.

[Mathilda]

And Dawkins is a Biologist and should stick with his day job.

He stopped being a biologist a long time ago and is now a right wing nut job there to give a veneer of respectability to whatever culture war or moral panic is currently being whipped up.

Dawkins has long since lost any integrity he built up from his days as a scientist.

[Mathilda]

Dawkins said that he believes the UK is a 'Christian country' and described himself as a 'cultural Christian' who values and enjoys Christian traditions and 'likes to live in a culturally Christian country' despite not believing 'a single word' of the religion.

Dawkins wouldn't be so thrilled with it if the fucks were still burning heretics at the stake.

I rather suspect he'd be the one burning heretics at the stake, not because he's a zealot but because he enjoys having power and influence.

[Minimalist]

Anyone who dismisses their fucking silly-assed god is first on the list for a hotfoot if the bastards ever get the opportunity again.

[Edible crust]

Theists would like atheists to have 'atheist' role models so they can pick fault. Unfortunately for them that's not how it works.

[Astreja]

TL;DR version of the OP: "Unlike pig shit, cow shit doesn't smell too bad."

[Thumpalumpacus]

I think Islam needs to be filtered and diluted by the Western world just as Christianity was.  Both religious texts are barbaric and inhumane but Christians have (somewhat) learned to ignore those parts.  Islam arose in a barbaric Middle East and, I hope, eventually water down the atrocities to become a somewhat more mild religion.

Likely won’t happen in my lifetime but I really think it will either die from self destruction or change in order to survive.

It's not that Christians ignore that history. It's because the Thirty Years War taught them the dangers of fighting wars under religious banners, with millions of Christians both Protestant and Catholics being killed in the process.

Islam hasn't experienced that in a large scale. Sure, they fight over sectarian divides, but as soon as an outsider gets involved, they set their squabbles aside and shoulder up.

There's a proverb in that part of the world: Me and my brother against my cousin; me and my cousin against the world.