Sean Carroll and the standard model of physics

[Inkubus]

Lifted from Here

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Here you go: The Laws Underlying The Physics of Everyday Life Are Completely Understood

You're welcome.

OK, I have to call BS on that one. Sorry, I'm entirely on board with viewing the stupernatural as utter bunk, but that's a load of horseshit.

The essence of that blog post is that we know everything about the physics that governs everyday life, it's just the fiddly details that we're still working on. So, not to be too harsh, but those "fiddly details" are what govern everyday life.

Internetitude.

A tendency to not read an article, miss the point and set up straw men.

The essence of that blog post is that we know everything about the physics that governs everyday life.

Only he didn't say that. He said: The laws Underlying the physics.

'Fiddly details' you quoted twice, the second time you used scare quotes for emphasis. Why did you do that? Carroll never once used that term nor did he use either of those words in any blog post relating to the subject. Bad form sir! Shame on you.

95% of the universe is dark matter and dark energy, which we understand just well enough to know that it pretty much dictates the entire structure of the universe.

The structure of the universe was set in stone, if you excuse the awkward metaphor 13.8 billion years ago, but none of that mattered until we came along but then it still doesn't matter. We don’t need to know the atomic structure of rock to understand that granite is an excellent foundation upon which to build skyscrapers.

Without an understanding of that you can't explain why we have a planet to stand on or a sun to orbit. On the other end of the scale you have those pesky quantum vacuum fluctuations, which govern everything from so-called spontaneous emission to radioactive decay. They're literally the reason that the sun shines and we have a very poor idea of why. And both of those play into very basic problems like why we have the distribution of elements that we do, AKA why is there enough carbon for life to be based on it.

Dear oh dear oh fucking dear:

The Laws Underlying The Physics of Stellar Nucleosynthesis Are Completely Understood

You're welcome.

So that blog post is just plain wrong from the title on down. That's no reason to go plugging ignorance in where our understanding is incomplete but it's every bit as ridiculous to suggest that it is complete.

Well then, you who are so wise in the way of science should have no problem finding a physicist that says Carroll is wrong.

And btw, who are you referring to:

That's no reason to go plugging ignorance in where our understanding is incomplete

Me or Carroll?

And btw # 2.

What's the simplest explanation for:

Poltergeists?

A flat Earth?

Galaxy clusters behind your washing machine?

Homeopathy? 

Is it quantum entanglement, or Get the fuck out of here with that shit!

Edit: And btw # 3.

Admin.

I have not donated one penny to the upkeep of this website but if Stevie is allowed to poison this thread like he does every other tread, I will bung AF £20.

And I'm banned from AF.

[Inkubus]

This reminds me of some dim bulb early in the 20th century saying there was no need for the patent office anymore as everything that could be invented, had been invented.

Or Bill Gates saying who would ever need more than 640K of RAM.

I thought that post was tongue in cheek, but then you did upvote Paleophyte. So lets put it down to a major mind slip.

Holland Duell never said that:

Duell has become famous for, during his tenure as United States Commissioner of Patents, purportedly saying "Everything that can be invented has been invented."[4] However, this has been debunked as apocryphal by librarian Samuel Sass[5] who traced the quote back to a 1981 book titled "The Book of Facts and Fallacies" by Chris Morgan and David Langford.[6] In fact, Duell said in 1902:Link

Or Bill Gates saying who would ever need more than 640K of RAM.

Bill Gates never said that:

I’ve said some stupid things and some wrong things, but not that. No one involved in computers would ever say that a certain amount of memory is enough for all time,” he told Bloomberg Business News in 1996. “I keep bumping into that silly quotation attributed to me that says 640K of memory is enough. There’s never a citation; the quotation just floats like a rumor, repeated again and again. Do you realize the pain the industry went through while the IBM PC was limited to 640K? The machine was going to be 512K at one point, and we kept pushing it up. I never said that statement, I said the opposite of that.

Science thrives on being wrong, that's how it advances and I'm surprised and alarmed that you don't know that.

[Inkubus]

Forty People have read this but no reply's. I expected at least one.

[Dexta]

I think it was Richard Feynman who said "If you think you understand quantum physics, you don't understand quantum physics." I've always adhered to that viewpoint since hearing that quote and so don't even try to make sense of such a fabulously indecipherable field...I just bow the Feynman's vastly superior knowledge of the topic and go, shrug, if he don't get it, what chance have mere I?

As such I am unable to offer an opinion on the topic.

[rocinantexyz]

I have not donated one penny to the upkeep of this website but if Stevie is allowed to poison this thread like he does every other tread, I will bung AF £20.

Just block that fool, imo.

[Dānu]

People have been predicting the end of the road for a long time. The only constant is failure.


“Prediction is very difficult, especially about the future.”
― Niels Bohr

[mordant]

This reminds me of some dim bulb early in the 20th century saying there was no need for the patent office anymore as everything that could be invented, had been invented.

Or Bill Gates saying who would ever need more than 640K of RAM.

I thought that post was tongue in cheek, but then you did upvote Paleophyte. So lets put it down to a major mind slip.

Holland Duell never said that:

Duell has become famous for, during his tenure as United States Commissioner of Patents, purportedly saying "Everything that can be invented has been invented."[4] However, this has been debunked as apocryphal by librarian Samuel Sass[5] who traced the quote back to a 1981 book titled "The Book of Facts and Fallacies" by Chris Morgan and David Langford.[6] In fact, Duell said in 1902:Link

Or Bill Gates saying who would ever need more than 640K of RAM.

Bill Gates never said that:

I’ve said some stupid things and some wrong things, but not that. No one involved in computers would ever say that a certain amount of memory is enough for all time,” he told Bloomberg Business News in 1996. “I keep bumping into that silly quotation attributed to me that says 640K of memory is enough. There’s never a citation; the quotation just floats like a rumor, repeated again and again. Do you realize the pain the industry went through while the IBM PC was limited to 640K? The machine was going to be 512K at one point, and we kept pushing it up. I never said that statement, I said the opposite of that.

Science thrives on being wrong, that's how it advances and I'm surprised and alarmed that you don't know that.

Well I stand corrected. But you have to admit, we hear things like this from various people all the time -- insufficient epistemological humility is a real problem. I suspect that these stories have legs is because people recognize that problem.

Nothing to be "alarmed" about. My thoughts (even the brain farts) aren't an existential threat to the world.

[brewerb]

Nothing to be "alarmed" about. My thoughts (even the brain farts) aren't an existential threat to the world.

Good to know. I'll take off my flack jacket and close up the fallout shelter.

[Dexta]

I think it was Richard Feynman who said "If you think you understand quantum physics, you don't understand quantum physics." I've always adhered to that viewpoint since hearing that quote and so don't even try to make sense of such a fabulously indecipherable field...I just bow the Feynman's vastly superior knowledge of the topic and go, shrug, if he don't get it, what chance have mere I?

As such I am unable to offer an opinion on the topic.

Just saw this on facebook - spooky quantum entanglement or what?!  

[polymath257]

The original blog is correct. We understand the underlying physics of every day life already. That physics consists of electromagnetism, which is will understood, and gravity, which is will understood at the level of every day life. We understand the elements things are made of and how they interact. The strong and weak nuclear forces don’t impact every day life much. Dark matter and dark energy don’t either. Quantum gravity doesn’t either.

We understand how quantum mechanics makes solids have the properties we see. We understand how electromagnetism holds molecules together, affects chemical interactions, etc. We know how the sun gets its energy. We understand how rainbows are produced and why the sky is blue.

The questions still open in physics do not affect day to day life in any significant way. This is simply a fact. We understand superpositions quantum and how entanglement works. These go way beyond every day life.