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Three Biggest Objections To The Christian God.
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Three Biggest Objections To The Christian God.
Hello everyone, I'm aware these have been discussed here extensively, but I'm reaching out to the community as part of a project for my studies. What do you ( personally ) consider the three most significant objections that prevent you from believing in Christianity? This is not a rebuttal (regardless of my username) You don't have to elaborate too much unless you feel like it, just three main points. Thanks Smile
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Three Biggest Objections To The Christian God.
(04-06-2024, 08:00 AM)Ruan Wrote: Hello everyone, I'm aware these have been discussed here extensively, but I'm reaching out to the community as part of a project for my studies. What do you ( personally ) consider the three most significant objections that prevent you from believing in Christianity? This is not a rebuttal (regardless of my username) You don't have to elaborate too much unless you feel like it, just three main points. Thanks Smile

Tell us more about your project and studies, specifically why you need 3 talking points. I might consider answering then.

Thanks.

(I noticed that you were at another forum asking the same question)
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental. 
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Three Biggest Objections To The Christian God.
Yup, this troll just got banned on AF for violating spamming rules.
R.I.P. Hannes
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Three Biggest Objections To The Christian God.
1. No evidence for the Xtian God's existence.
2. The fact of biological evolution extirpating the "theory" of divine creation.
3. The suffering of the innocents.
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Three Biggest Objections To The Christian God.
(04-06-2024, 02:25 PM)Deesse23 Wrote: Yup, this troll just got banned on AF for violating spamming rules.

I'll give him a chance to explain and reserve judgement until then. However, I share the same suspicion.

Why do some christians only want a pavlovian response from atheists?
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Three Biggest Objections To The Christian God.
1.  Jesus is not real.

2.  Yhwh is not real.

3.  No god ever invented by the human imagination is real.

I prefer reality to fantasy.
Robert G. Ingersoll : “No man with a sense of humor ever founded a religion.”
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Three Biggest Objections To The Christian God.
(04-06-2024, 02:32 PM)brewerb Wrote:
(04-06-2024, 02:25 PM)Deesse23 Wrote: Yup, this troll just got banned on AF for violating spamming rules.

I'll give him a chance to explain and reserve judgement until then. However, I share the same suspicion.

Why do some christians only want a pavlovian response from atheists?
Lets see what his schtick is. I am sure he will show his cards very soon. Religious lunatics cant keep their mouth shut for too long, especially the kind that joins atheist forums.
R.I.P. Hannes
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Three Biggest Objections To The Christian God.
(04-06-2024, 03:38 PM)Deesse23 Wrote:
(04-06-2024, 02:32 PM)brewerb Wrote: I'll give him a chance to explain and reserve judgement until then. However, I share the same suspicion.

Why do some christians only want a pavlovian response from atheists?
Lets see what his schtick is. I am sure he will show his cards very soon. Religious lunatics cant keep their mouth shut for too long, especially the kind that joins atheist forums.

Or just the one post then lurk, that would be very typical.
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Three Biggest Objections To The Christian God.
(04-06-2024, 08:00 AM)Ruan Wrote: Hello everyone, I'm aware these have been discussed here extensively, but I'm reaching out to the community as part of a project for my studies. What do you ( personally ) consider the three most significant objections that prevent you from believing in Christianity? This is not a rebuttal (regardless of my username) You don't have to elaborate too much unless you feel like it, just three main points. Thanks Smile
Ill bite. There is only one objection to christianity for me: No good reason to believe the christian god exists. What have you got? Got one?
R.I.P. Hannes
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Three Biggest Objections To The Christian God.
1) The poor historicity of the Gospels.
2) The misuse and ahistorical views of Christianity on the "Old Testament" books.
3) The Ad Hoc and philosophical non-sense of the conception of the divine in Christian theology.

That would be my objection for belief in the orthodox Christian God, but that doesn't cover my objection to his worship should it be shown to exist beyond a shadow of a doubt. Those are different.
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Three Biggest Objections To The Christian God.
Because like all the other gods people believe in, when it comes to the crunch, it's exactly the same as no god
Those who ask a lot of questions may seem stupid, but those who don't ask questions stay stupid.
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Three Biggest Objections To The Christian God.
(04-06-2024, 08:00 AM)Ruan Wrote: Hello everyone, I'm aware these have been discussed here extensively, but I'm reaching out to the community as part of a project for my studies. What do you ( personally ) consider the three most significant objections that prevent you from believing in Christianity? This is not a rebuttal (regardless of my username) You don't have to elaborate too much unless you feel like it, just three main points. Thanks Smile

Hi Ruan. I'm not sure how you're viewing this site but FYI, your lilac text is low contrast and difficult to read on a white background.

Nothing prevents me from believing in Christianity. I'm pretty sure that it's real. There's a church just down the street if you'd like me to go ask.

On a more serious note, nothing prevents me from following Christian beliefs and teachings, just as nothing prevents you from following any of the thousands of belief systems that our whacky little species has created. It isn't as if atheists have some sort of religious blockage.

I don't follow the Christian faith because:
 - There is no evidence for any god. Let me forestall any shenanigans by mentioning up front that arguments are not evidence.
 - There's good evidence against the Christian god. He's an incoherent bumblefuck. No real surprise given what we know about how he originated.
 - There's good evidence against the divinity of Jesus. He was an apocalyptic street preacher whose church got hijacked by Saul of Tarsus, the Roman Emprire, the British Monarchy, and the American evangelicals, just to name a few of the more egregious offenders. Most Christians wouldn't recognize Jesus if he bit them on the ass.
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Gee, I've never seen this approach before.
On hiatus.
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Three Biggest Objections To The Christian God.
(04-06-2024, 08:00 AM)Ruan Wrote: Hello everyone, I'm aware these have been discussed here extensively, but I'm reaching out to the community as part of a project for my studies. What do you ( personally ) consider the three most significant objections that prevent you from believing in Christianity? This is not a rebuttal (regardless of my username) You don't have to elaborate too much unless you feel like it, just three main points. Thanks Smile

You need a new project. Study graphics with an emphasis on tone, contrast, hue and saturation.

Wanker!

Edit: Ninjaed.
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Three Biggest Objections To The Christian God.
Every god invented was invented by man and always as an especially grotesque caricature of the worst of what human beings so often are:  petty, ignorant, vengeful, consumed by resentments, full of themselves and infinitely entitled.  History is already overfull of living breathing figures like this, only disturbed minds would see a need to add imaginary ones.
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Three Biggest Objections To The Christian God.
1. I was raised Jewish and the idea of a godman is absurd.

2. Gods utter silence

3. The geographic location of religions.
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Three Biggest Objections To The Christian God.
A) Hoomans are stupid
2) godibois are make believe
III) Hoomans are stupid
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#18

Three Biggest Objections To The Christian God.
1. He doesn't come in sporty colors.
2. Limited selection of matching accessories.
3. Too many stupid people wearing cheap knock-offs.
Mountain-high though the difficulties appear, terrible and gloomy though all things seem, they are but Mâyâ.
Fear not — it is banished. Crush it, and it vanishes. Stamp upon it, and it dies.


Vivekananda
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Three Biggest Objections To The Christian God.
1: It would seem god isn't real; he's a failed hypothisis that, in his modern incarnation, is evidently impossable.* (*if god is all loving, all knowing, all powerful, and present at every point in space and time, then the universe should not exist. the suffering of a single spider means that god is either not all loving, or not all knowing, or not all powerful, or not all present.) in that case, jesus doesn't need to be thrown under the bus, he just doesn't matter at that point.

2: I think it is highly ambiguous as to whether or not there was a historical jesus; if there was**, then modern christianity looks very different from paul's theology (**he probably lived around 100 BC if he was real, with Paul and Peter flourishing around 60 BC. in that case, modern christianity is very wrong.); if there was not, then paul's theology still falls apart because there's no reason to believe that god is real.

3: 'Three' makes for nice bullet points, but there really is no need for a third, so here's a bonus: even if god existed, and even if it were clear that jesus did live, paul is very explicit about 'the GAYS' not being allowed into heaven. paul was as explicit about that as it was possible for him to be about that -- no 'gay' will be found in heaven. So then what's the point of me worshiping jesus, even if i were convinced that christanity is true? I'm never going to go there, so why bother?

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Three Biggest Objections To The Christian God.
(04-06-2024, 11:06 PM)AutisticWill Wrote: 1: It would seem god isn't real; he's a failed hypothisis that, in his modern incarnation, is evidently impossable.* (*if god is all loving, all knowing, all powerful, and present at every point in space and time, then the universe should not exist. the suffering of a single spider means that god is either not all loving, or not all knowing, or not all powerful, or not all present.) in that case, jesus doesn't need to be thrown under the bus, he just doesn't matter at that point.

2: I think it is highly ambiguous as to whether or not there was a historical jesus; if there was**, then modern christianity looks very different from paul's theology (**he probably lived around 100 BC if he was real, with Paul and Peter flourishing around 60 BC. in that case, modern christianity is very wrong.); if there was not, then paul's theology still falls apart because there's no reason to believe that god is real.

3: 'Three' makes for nice bullet points, but there really is no need for a third, so here's a bonus: even if god existed, and even if it were clear that jesus did live, paul is very explicit about 'the GAYS' not being allowed into heaven. paul was as explicit about that as it was possible for him to be about that -- no 'gay' will be found in heaven. So then what's the point of me worshiping jesus, even if i were convinced that christanity is true? I'm never going to go there, so why bother?

[i want ah gold star.......]

Actually, Paul and all the others had no real conception of a man being gay.  Sure, they knew that some men preferred other men but the concept that it was an ingrained trait was just unknown to them.  They objected to boys being forced into sex with older men…and that’s what they were talking about in the Bible.  They didn’t have a word for homosexual and only knew of the habits of some men to force themselves on other, usually younger, men.

Don’t let modern day preachers or the Catholic Church define what Paul said about homosexuals as they are taking a modern view on the subject, one developed over time.  None of the Bible passages are really applicable to our modern understanding.
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(04-07-2024, 01:29 AM)pattylt Wrote:
(04-06-2024, 11:06 PM)AutisticWill Wrote: ...

3: 'Three' makes for nice bullet points, but there really is no need for a third, so here's a bonus: even if god existed, and even if it were clear that jesus did live, paul is very explicit about 'the GAYS' not being allowed into heaven. paul was as explicit about that as it was possible for him to be about that -- no 'gay' will be found in heaven. So then what's the point of me worshiping jesus, even if i were convinced that christanity is true? I'm never going to go there, so why bother?

[i want ah gold star.......]

Actually, Paul and all the others had no real conception of a man being gay.  ...

... None of the Bible passages are really applicable to our modern understanding.

you're goddamn right they're not

[i still want my tiny gold-star to cry bitter-tears over, and shudder my child-breath, that 'at least i have my gold-star T.T..........' {i'm kinda pathetic and easy to please}]
I am not fire-wood!
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(04-07-2024, 01:29 AM)pattylt Wrote: None of the Bible passages are really applicable to our modern understanding.

That sentence needs to be printed on the cover in large letters, just like the warning labels on cigarette packs.

"WARNING!  Much of what's herein may appear to have superficial resemblance to contemporary relevance, but nothing herein incorporates knowledge obtained in psychiatry, psychology, sociology, anatomy, medicine, metallurgy, chemistry, physics, international diplomacy or municipal civil engineering and planning for more than 1500 years, so cannot be depended on to be even slightly applicable to modern circumstances and situations".
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Three Biggest Objections To The Christian God.
(04-07-2024, 01:49 AM)airportkid Wrote:
(04-07-2024, 01:29 AM)pattylt Wrote: None of the Bible passages are really applicable to our modern understanding.

That sentence needs to be printed on the cover in large letters, just like the warning labels on cigarette packs.

"WARNING!  Much of what's herein may appear to have superficial resemblance to contemporary relevance, but nothing herein incorporates knowledge obtained in psychiatry, psychology, sociology, anatomy, medicine, metallurgy, chemistry, physics, international diplomacy or municipal civil engineering and planning for more than 1500 years, so cannot be depended on to be even slightly applicable to modern circumstances and situations".

you get a gold star! A+

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Three Biggest Objections To The Christian God.
My primary objection:  Christianity's foundational myth is absurd and morally repugnant.  The combination of a human sacrifice that comes back from the dead, plus the threat of eternal punishment for people who reject this sacrifice, is absolutely unacceptable to me.  Ghastly and disgusting and utterly risible.

I believe that if there ever was a Jesus, he died and stayed dead.

I believe that the god of the Bible is fictional.
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Well said.

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2,000,000 kudo points.
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