The Creator

[epronovost]

What is supposed to be odd in the Christian scriptures there? Nothing strikes me as particularly odd.

The fact that the Scripture records the God of the Old Testament referring to Himself as "I am" and Christ in the New Testament referring to Himself as "I am."

For most readers of the Scripture this is odd, confusing, because they associate the God of the Old Testament as the Almighty Father, they have no idea that it is Jesus Christ. 

What I have shown in the OP is that the God of the Old Testament is Jesus Christ. But here's the baffle that no one can explain, they are One God but 2 individuals.

Were you aware that the term "I am" is a translation of a title used to refer to both kings and divine beings of various types in Hebrew? This is a common them between the translations of the Hebrew bible which were written in Hebrew and the Gospels and Pauline epistles which were written in Greek.

[Alan V]

"Atheist discussion" has become a fan fiction site.

I thought it was Atheism/Theism discussion.

Ideally that would be true, but you have crossed the line multiple times now into mere preaching.

We don't care about your scripture quotes because they are meaningless to us.  They carry no authority whatsoever.  They are proof of nothing.  Many atheists responding to you have repeated this point again and again, as I just did using different words.  Thus the "fan fiction" comment.

Is that really what passes for thinking in your mind?  You repeat scripture to yourself?  You elaborate on it?

You have ignored the possibilities for real discussions again and again IMO. You seem incapable of engaging productively.

[Charlie24]

The fact that the Scripture records the God of the Old Testament referring to Himself as "I am" and Christ in the New Testament referring to Himself as "I am."

For most readers of the Scripture this is odd, confusing, because they associate the God of the Old Testament as the Almighty Father, they have no idea that it is Jesus Christ. 

What I have shown in the OP is that the God of the Old Testament is Jesus Christ. But here's the baffle that no one can explain, they are One God but 2 individuals.

Were you aware that the term "I am" is a translation of a title used to refer to both kings and divine beings of various types in Hebrew? This is a common them between the translations of the Hebrew bible which were written in Hebrew and the Gospels and Pauline epistles which were written in Greek.

I disagree but giving you the benefit of a doubt and burdening myself of the time it takes to disprove your claims, it doesn't matter the definition of "I am" in the OP.

Both the God of the Old Testament and Jesus Christ in the New Testament referred to themselves as "I am" and that is the point of the OP, not the definition of "I am."

[epronovost]

Both the God of the Old Testament and Jesus Christ in the New Testament referred to themselves as "I am" and that is the point of the OP, not the definition of "I am."

Of course he did, that's how prophets, kings and divine beings referred to themselves when they were speaking in the God in ancient literature. There is nothing surprising or special about this.

[Charlie24]

Both the God of the Old Testament and Jesus Christ in the New Testament referred to themselves as "I am" and that is the point of the OP, not the definition of "I am."

Of course he did, that's how prophets, kings and divine beings referred to themselves when they were speaking in the God in ancient literature. There is nothing surprising or special about this.

There's nothing surprising about the God of the Old Testament being Jesus Christ?

That's an odd response for the Scripture reader to have, who doesn't know it.

[Charlie24]

Of course he did, that's how prophets, kings and divine beings referred to themselves when they were speaking in the God in ancient literature. There is nothing surprising or special about this.

There's nothing surprising about the God of the Old Testament being Jesus Christ?

That's an odd response for the Scripture reader to have, who doesn't know it.

This is a mistake on my part. I said yesterday before I created this thread, "this is to much for guys right now."

Now you all think I'm crazy because I have taken this to a level that I knew would be to advanced for you to comprehend.

So I take the fault here.

[Astreja]

My money is on insane.

My money is on "intellectually immature man with suboptimal impulse regulation and external locus of control, who went through a rebellious phase in his youth and then got sucked back into the religion of his forebears when he found himself at a loose end."

[Charlie24]

My money is on insane.

My money is on "intellectually immature man with suboptimal impulse regulation and external locus of control, who went through a rebellious phase in his youth and then got sucked back into the religion of his forebears when he found himself at a loose end."

I deserve that for being foolish enough to ignore my better judgment in creating this thread.

[Charlie24]

I'm going to take a break for a while, I've made some very foolish decisions of late and there's no excuse for it.

I'm not angry with anyone here, I'm angry at my own stupidity.

See you guys sometime in the near future.

[1Sam15]

Yea yahweh send the best

[1Sam15]

I'm going to take a break for a while, I've made some very foolish decisions of late and there's no excuse for it.

I'm not angry with anyone here, I'm angry at my own stupidity.

See you guys sometime in the near future.

Thoughts and prayers

[epronovost]

Of course he did, that's how prophets, kings and divine beings referred to themselves when they were speaking in the God in ancient literature. There is nothing surprising or special about this.

There's nothing surprising about the God of the Old Testament being Jesus Christ?

That's an odd response for the Scripture reader to have, who doesn't know it.

I do know Christian scriptures. Almost everybody knows Christian scripture in the Western world. Is it surprising that the holy scriptures of people believing in the divinity of Jesus Christ refer to Jesus Christ as a divine being? Absolutely not. Of course, due to the translation and nature of that term, it can also describe Jesus Christ not as a divine being itself, but a prophet of God who speaks in his name which is what other Abrahamic faiths with which you share much scripture in common believe about Jesus. No, it's not odd at all.

Next what, you are going to marvel yourself at the fact your scriptures refers to the God of Israel as the one true God above all others?

[AutisticWill]

The fact that the Scripture records the God of the Old Testament referring to Himself as "I am" and Christ in the New Testament referring to Himself as "I am."

For most readers of the Scripture this is odd, confusing, because they associate the God of the Old Testament as the Almighty Father, they have no idea that it is Jesus Christ. 

What I have shown in the OP is that the God of the Old Testament is Jesus Christ. But here's the baffle that no one can explain, they are One God but 2 individuals.

What the christ is wrong with you? can't you see that the words put in christ's mouth/spoken by jesus is just a theological declaration, and not, in fact, a fact?

Here, I'll prove it:

Quote "I'm the Lord Jesus Christ." -- AutisticWill

That doesn't make it true, you stupid fuck.

"For most readers of the Scripture this is odd, confusing, because they associate the God of the Old Testament as the Almighty Father, they have no idea that it is Jesus Christ."

In America, most Christians DO say that the God of the Old Testament IS jesus christ. As for the rest of the world, fuck em! I mean, christianity's central claim is that the whole human race deserves to be lit on fire and thrown away; (good thing jesus loves us, now BOW DOWN) therefore, what does it matter if they come to a correct repentance, based on a true belief: they deserve to die in everlasting fire anyway!

"What I have shown in the OP is that the God of the Old Testament is Jesus Christ. But here's the baffle that no one can explain, they are One God but 2 individuals."

'shown???' -- try pulling tricks like that on a jew. you won't win.

Go read Jack Chick, you'd like him.

And as for my being rude: you deserve every bit of scorn and derision, because you are an avatar of christianity -- the biggest goddamn lie ever told.

[AutisticWill]

This is a mistake on my part. I said yesterday before I created this thread, "this is to much for guys right now."

Now you all think I'm crazy because I have taken this to a level that I knew would be to advanced for you to comprehend.

So I take the fault here.

martyr complex; Dunning-Kruger.

[Minimalist]

You won't be missed.

[AutisticWill]

The fact that the Scripture records the God of the Old Testament referring to Himself as "I am" and Christ in the New Testament referring to Himself as "I am."

For most readers of the Scripture this is odd, confusing, because they associate the God of the Old Testament as the Almighty Father, they have no idea that it is Jesus Christ. 

What I have shown in the OP is that the God of the Old Testament is Jesus Christ. But here's the baffle that no one can explain, they are One God but 2 individuals.

Here's some constructive criticism.

Charlie, you wanna see some PRO-Christianity arguments that are actually convincing?




I recommend everyone watch this, it's very good. Not perfect, but very good.

[possibletarian]

Of course you wonder what it means, it's drivel

[Cavebear]

There's nothing surprising about the God of the Old Testament being Jesus Christ?

That's an odd response for the Scripture reader to have, who doesn't know it.

This is a mistake on my part. I said yesterday before I created this thread, "this is to much for guys right now."

Now you all think I'm crazy because I have taken this to a level that I knew would be to advanced for you to comprehend.

So I take the fault here.

Oh that is OK Charlie. We already knew you were nuts...

[Cavebear]

I'm going to take a break for a while, I've made some very foolish decisions of late and there's no excuse for it.

I'm not angry with anyone here, I'm angry at my own stupidity.

See you guys sometime in the near future.

Please feel free to take all the time you need away to resolve your superstitious stupidity... I for one won't exactly miss you.

There was once a child from across the street who used to come over anytime I was in the front yard and ask the silliest questions (and some actual serious ones). Evidently, he couldn't get any answers from his parents. I answered all his questions seriously and in terms I thought he could understand. I don't know if he understood all the answers, but he seemed happy to have someone to answer them. Some were vaguely religious; most were like "why is the sky blue" and "what is dirt"?

They moved away one day, and he waved me "bye-bye". I sometimes wonder what became of him. Maybe I helped him think. I try to do that with people like you...

[Gwaithmir]

Jesus Christ is the "Word" that spoke the universe into existence.

Yeah, and I'm King Isildur! 

[Aliza]

John 8:58
"Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am."

In the book of Exodus, God refers to Himself as "I am" and in the book of John Jesus refers to Himself as "I am."

Doesn't that seem odd? Actually it's not odd at all when you read on in Scripture and find out who Jesus Christ really is.

Why is that odd, though? I mean, I think Jesus was an odd person with a G-d complex. He couldn't stick to Jewish law and he got rejected by his religious teacher. He was a really shit person. 

Why do you think it's odd though? I should think you'd be like, "G-d said "I am" and Jesus said "I am" and that's proof that they're one in the same!" And then I'd expect you would fall on your face and worship the nearest object that reminds you of Jesus.

[Minimalist]

Now you all think I'm crazy because I have taken this to a level that I knew would be to advanced for you to comprehend.

Nah.  I've thought you were crazy from the start.  All religitards are nuts.  They have to be.

[airportkid]

... And then I'd expect you would fall on your face and worship the nearest object that reminds you of Jesus ...

Nothing in any of his posts suggests he isn't already doing that,

[rocinantexyz]

[Elisha] performed exactly twice the amount of miracles as did Elijah.

Finally something we can agree on: 0 * 2 = 0

[Charladele]

Very few people read the chapters of the bible AFTER Jesus supposedly died and ascended. You will discover that the disciples all went out and performed many of the "miracles" that Jesus did. I guess the people who wrote those chapters just didn't get the gist of the story. Jesus was s'posed to be "special." I guess if regular everyday folks can do the same things as him (healing the sick, casting out demons, yada, yada) it puts a cabosh on the whole delightful illusion. It's also why preachers never use those chapters in their sermons.