Bible Baptist Tabernacle Church/ Controversy

[Charlie24]

Charlie, as you’ve noticed, some atheists have no problem with more colorful language.  You have insulted us as much as our cursed words have you.  You just try to be more subtle. You use dog whistle terms.  We’re just a lot more blunt.  You’re free to curse and insult us back if you like.

Very few of us here are homosexual but we are their ally’s.  Even if you don’t say it out loud, do you ever think…homos, fags, queers when thinking about homosexuals?  Or, do you just refer to them as sodomites which, btw, is every bit as derogatory. Be honest!

I'm not free to respond in derogatory language. I claim Christ as my Savior.

I've tasted the chastisement of God for such things in the past, and didn't enjoy it! 

Just as I have said to you, in that I respect your choice to not believe, I also respect the choice of the gay community to have their way. Some push the argument that being gay is not a choice, that is not true. I'm not taking a hammer to the gays, God bless their souls, they have seen what the world has to say, why not listen to what God has to say. it won't hurt you to know what He has said.

The sin that has come into this world has affected everything. Babies are born with life threatening diseases, man is born prone to alcohol and fights it his whole life, some are propelled toward murder and can't control it, some are born with a desire to be with the same sex and think this is what God has made me.

No, God didn't intend for you to be any of these things, the sin of man is what made you this way.

When Jesus Christ was on this earth, Jesus read from the Scripture of Isaiah's prophecy the exact words that Isaiah had written of Christ 1000 years before Christ came. Isaiah had written the exact words Christ would say to the world.

Luke 4:17-20
"And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him." 

Christ came to "preach the deliverance to the captives." Man is held captive in his own body with these problems of alcohol, drugs, gambling, the sexual addiction, the gay world.

He came to set them free from this bondage that sin has created. But he can't if you don't beleive He can do it.

[pattylt]

That you think being homosexual is a choice is really showing your ignorance. You were asked before and I’ll ask again, when did you choose to be heterosexual? Do you honestly think you could choose differently? Why would anyone choose to be reviled, spit on and threatened with death? The “Christian” view of homosexuality is beyond cruel and must drive you nuts that they have have come out of their closets, accepted themselves and celebrate their freedoms.

Do you agree that children’s books that make homosexuality normal are grooming children? If so, why didn’t EVERY children’s books that normalized heterosexuality not make them straight?

[Charlie24]

That you think being homosexual is a choice is really showing your ignorance.  You were asked before and I’ll ask again, when did you choose to be heterosexual?  Do you honestly think you could choose differently?  Why would anyone choose to be reviled, spit on and threatened with death?   The “Christian” view of homosexuality is beyond cruel and must drive you nuts that they have have come out of their closets, accepted themselves and celebrate their freedoms.

Do you agree that children’s books that make homosexuality normal are grooming children?  If so, why didn’t EVERY children’s books that normalized heterosexuality not make them straight?

I have already told you why, but you refuse to accept it, willingly choose to refuse it.

They were born with that feeling due to the effects of sin in those particular genes.

They actually believe this is what they we born to be, but that is not what Christ wants them to be.

[Charlie24]

Charlie, as you’ve noticed, some atheists have no problem with more colorful language.  You have insulted us as much as our cursed words have you.  You just try to be more subtle. You use dog whistle terms.  We’re just a lot more blunt.  You’re free to curse and insult us back if you like.

Very few of us here are homosexual but we are their ally’s.  Even if you don’t say it out loud, do you ever think…homos, fags, queers when thinking about homosexuals?  Or, do you just refer to them as sodomites which, btw, is every bit as derogatory. Be honest!

I'm not free to respond in derogatory language. I claim Christ as my Savior.

I've tasted the chastisement of God for such things in the past, and didn't enjoy it! 

Just as I have said to you, in that I respect your choice to not believe, I also respect the choice of the gay community to have their way. Some push the argument that being gay is not a choice, that is not true. I'm not taking a hammer to the gays, God bless their souls, they have seen what the world has to say, why not listen to what God has to say. it won't hurt you to know what He has said.

The sin that has come into this world has affected everything. Babies are born with life threatening diseases, man is born prone to alcohol and fights it his whole life, some are propelled toward murder and can't control it, some are born with a desire to be with the same sex and think this is what God has made me.

No, God didn't intend for you to be any of these things, the sin of man is what made you this way.

When Jesus Christ was on this earth, Jesus read from the Scripture of Isaiah's prophecy the exact words that Isaiah had written of Christ 1000 years before Christ came. Isaiah had written the exact words Christ would say to the world.

Luke 4:17-20
"And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him." 

Christ came to "preach the deliverance to the captives." Man is held captive in his own body with these problems of alcohol, drugs, gambling, the sexual addiction, the gay world.

He came to set them free from this bondage that sin has created. But he can't if you don't beleive He can do it.

After rereading my above post, I see that I didn't clarify one of my statements. I'm human and I make mistakes, it was my intension to point out how the gays have made a choice to be gay. I failed to do that, but I will correct that now.

The lgbtq folks actually believe they were born to be this way, that is not a choice.

The choice comes by way of seeing what I have posted above, that Christ has come to deliver all from the bondage of their particular situation they were born with through sin.

The rejecting of Christ is the choice they have made to remain in that bondage, rather than accepting Him and being set free from that bondage.

[pattylt]

Soooooo, approximately 7% of men, consistently throughout history, are gay because of sin? As science has shown, their brains are wired differently than heterosexuals and certain areas of their brains developed differently. And god continues to condemn them for something they have no control over? Is this then true about Downs Syndrome, congenital malformations? How about hermaphroditism? Those born with these conditions weren’t allowed into the Temple in Jerusalem…are you ok with that? Jesus never changed those rules. He was completely silent although he didn’t mind castration…depending on the reasons for it.

I’m trying to understand your view of justice when someone is born in a manner that you condemn.

[epronovost]

I find it rather depressing if expected that this thread started with Charlie24 denouncing terribly insulting, idiotic, immoral and vile comments of a preacher about women and rape victims in general only to, as the conversation continues, make very similar and vile comments himself, but this time about homosexuals.

[Charlie24]

Soooooo, approximately 7% of men, consistently throughout history, are gay because of sin?  As science has shown, their brains are wired differently than heterosexuals and certain areas of their brains developed differently.  And god continues to condemn them for something they have no control over?  Is this then true about Downs Syndrome, congenital malformations?  How about hermaphroditism?  Those born with these conditions weren’t allowed into the Temple in Jerusalem…are you ok with that?  Jesus never changed those rules.  He was completely silent although he didn’t mind castration…depending on the reasons for it.

I’m trying to understand your view of justice when someone is born in a manner that you condemn.

Life in this world is not fair, count your blessings if you are not numbered with the above.

Man brought sin into this world and he will suffer it all the days of his life.

That's how serious sin is, but man continues to plunge his way through in disregard.

There are some born into this world who through no fault of their own have the mind of child all their lives, they don't know the true value of right and wrong. They will not be held accountable to the Lord for any sin they may have committed. They were not aware of sin.

They were not capable of making a choice for or against Christ, and they are God's children who will enter into His kingdom, no longer will they have this disability that has stricken them in this life.

The Scripture says that this life on earth is a vapor that appears and vanishes in an instant compared to eternity.

This life is not fair but it is what man has done to himself. God has not forgot us, He knows what we are going through and has made a way for us to be a part of His Kingdom after this short life, if we believe Him.

[brewerb]

So let me see if I've got this straight.

People are born gay due to sin encoded in their genetics so they can't understand/feel the sin but need to accept the jesus hybrid so that they can be saved from the gay bondage even though, other than being born gay, they have never sinned?



C24, what's your position on conversion therapy?

Is being born with any number of genetic disorders a sin? At what age do you tell a child born with only one arm it's because they are a sinner?

A side thought, do you believe masturbation is a sin?

[Charlie24]

So let me see if I've got this straight.

People are born gay due to sin encoded in their genetics so they can't understand/feel the sin but need to accept the jesus hybrid so that they can be saved from the gay bondage even though, other than being born gay, they have never sinned?



C24, what's your position on conversion therapy?

Is being born with any number of genetic disorders a sin? At what age do you tell a child born with only one arm it's because they are a sinner?

A side thought, do you believe masturbation is a sin?

Let me help you get it a little straighter. 

Romans 3:10
"As it is written there is none righteous, no, not one."

Romans 3:23
"For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God."

No one has an excuse before God, we are all sinners disconnected from God through our sins.

God has said that homosexuality is an abominable sin that he detests.

A I have pointed out in a previous post, He has made a way for man to be delivered from that sin.

If man refuses to be delivered from that sin by rejecting Christ, he will die in that sin.

That person made that choice.

[brewerb]

So let me see if I've got this straight.

People are born gay due to sin encoded in their genetics so they can't understand/feel the sin but need to accept the jesus hybrid so that they can be saved from the gay bondage even though, other than being born gay, they have never sinned?



C24, what's your position on conversion therapy?

Is being born with any number of genetic disorders a sin? At what age do you tell a child born with only one arm it's because they are a sinner?

A side thought, do you believe masturbation is a sin?

Let me help you get it a little straighter. 

Romans 3:10
"As it is written there is none righteous, no, not one."

Romans 3:23
"For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God."

No one has an excuse before God, we are all sinners disconnected from God through our sins.

God has said that homosexuality is an abominable sin that he detests.

A I have pointed out in a previous post, He has made a way for man to be delivered from that sin.

If man refuses to be delivered from that sin by rejecting Christ, he will die in that sin.

That person made that choice.

Sorry, I'm gonna swear, you're beliefs are batshit fuckin crazy. You should be kept away from the general public.

[Charlie24]

Let me help you get it a little straighter. 

Romans 3:10
"As it is written there is none righteous, no, not one."

Romans 3:23
"For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God."

No one has an excuse before God, we are all sinners disconnected from God through our sins.

God has said that homosexuality is an abominable sin that he detests.

A I have pointed out in a previous post, He has made a way for man to be delivered from that sin.

If man refuses to be delivered from that sin by rejecting Christ, he will die in that sin.

That person made that choice.

Sorry, I'm gonna swear, you're beliefs are batshit fuckin crazy. You should be kept away from the general public.

That's fine!

[Charlie24]

Was just watching the news.

On this day, Feb. 25, 1964

Mahammad Ali knocked out Sonny Liston to win his first world title.

[Deesse23]

10% of the animal kingdom is gay. How and why did these choose to be gay?

[1Sam15]

Who can show me a post where I have used 4 letter words, and some with more letters, to insult anyone?

But I am accused to dishing out and not taking.

Who are you people, where did you come from, are you human?

Please just leave.

[Charlie24]

Who can show me a post where I have used 4 letter words, and some with more letters, to insult anyone?

But I am accused to dishing out and not taking.

Who are you people, where did you come from, are you human?

Please just leave.

In all the years I have visited various Atheist Forums, I have never been asked nicely to leave.

How can I not honor that?

Thank you guys for the conversation! God bless all of you!

John 15:10-12

"If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.
This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you."

[1Sam15]

Please just leave.

In all the years I have visited various Atheist Forums, I have never been asked nicely to leave.

How can I not honor that?

Thank you guys for the conversation! God bless all of you!

John 15:10-12

"If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.
This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you."

Yahweh still thinks you’re a piece of shit Chuck. I agree with your godthing.

The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.

[1Sam15]

Please just leave.

J all the years I have visited various Atheist Forums, I have never been asked nicely to leave.

How can I not honor that?

Thank you guys for the conversation! God bless all of you!

John 15:10-12

"If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.
This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you."

J all the years I have visited various Atheist Forums, I have never been asked nicely to leave.

Just goes to show you aren’t interested in learning you’re wrong

[no one]

I see little charlotte's pathetic cognitive skills are shining through yet again. This colossal clod lacks the ability to think, it only knows what to think. It can only regurgitate and recite recycled infernal rubbish.

You boldy assert your particular brand of stupid irrational drivel as the truth, while admitting you have absolutely no evidence other than that ridiculously illogical absurd huly buuk you continue to spout.

Show me again how the godiboi of the buybull is any more credible than Odin, or Ra. And remember your worthless scripture means absolutely nothing.

Since science has not disproven either of those gosibois, or any other godiboi, and considering this is the case you have to admit that:

The possibility exists. You can't say to me these godibois does not exist, that is not reasonable.

It takes from your credibility to even suggest it.

[Charlie24]

J all the years I have visited various Atheist Forums, I have never been asked nicely to leave.

How can I not honor that?

Thank you guys for the conversation! God bless all of you!

John 15:10-12

"If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.
This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you."

J all the years I have visited various Atheist Forums, I have never been asked nicely to leave.

Just goes to show you aren’t interested in learning you’re wrong

Just a quick response. Here's where we have a difference of opinion, I know in my heart and soul there is a God.

I have experienced Him many, many times, I have seen my request to God answered when there was no possible way it could have happened except that God had done it on my behalf because He loves me and honors my faith in Him.

You are correct, I have no desire to learn anything that that states there is no God, when I know for a fact He exists.

Here again as I have stated time and time again, you cannot know God exists until you believe through faith that He does, then He reveals Himself through "Spirit and Truth" as the Scripture says.

[Dānu]

I have experienced Him many, many times, I have seen my request to God answered when there was no possible way it could have happened except that God had done it on my behalf because He loves me and honors my faith in Him.

This is basically an argument from ignorance and your conclusion is necessarily invalid. You believe in God because you have bad thinking skills.

[Chas]

J all the years I have visited various Atheist Forums, I have never been asked nicely to leave.

Just goes to show you aren’t interested in learning you’re wrong

Just a quick response. Here's where we have a difference of opinion, I know in my heart and soul there is a God.

I have experienced Him many, many times, I have seen my request to God answered when there was no possible way it could have happened except that God had done it on my behalf because He loves me and honors my faith in Him.

You are correct, I have no desire to learn anything that that states there is no God, when I know for a fact He exists.

Here again as I have stated time and time again, you cannot know God exists until you believe through faith that He does, then He reveals Himself through "Spirit and Truth" as the Scripture says.

 
Didn't you, only yesterday, say you would leave? Yet, here you are.   

[Charlie24]

J all the years I have visited various Atheist Forums, I have never been asked nicely to leave.

Just goes to show you aren’t interested in learning you’re wrong

Just a quick response. Here's where we have a difference of opinion, I know in my heart and soul there is a God.

I have experienced Him many, many times, I have seen my request to God answered when there was no possible way it could have happened except that God had done it on my behalf because He loves me and honors my faith in Him.

You are correct, I have no desire to learn anything that that states there is no God, when I know for a fact He exists.

Here again as I have stated time and time again, you cannot know God exists until you believe through faith that He does, then He reveals Himself through "Spirit and Truth" as the Scripture says.

Of course you won't believe me, but God in heaven knows I speak the truth. Let me give the accounts of the latest prayer request I made to God for my personal needs.

I built a huge state of the art horse stable 30 years ago to raise horses and to board horses for others. 

Last year the roof began to leak in a couple of places, small leaks, but the roof definitely needed to be replaced.

The roof is 90 square, with 3 bundles of shingles to the square, that's 270 bundles of shingles required to replace the roof.

The cheapest quote I received was $16,000 to tear of the old roof take the old shingles off to the dumps, and replace it with top grade shingles.

I had $16,000 but I couldn't afford to spend it on the roof, because of other obligations.

So I said, Lord, what am I going to do? I can't go in more debt for this, I'm leaving it in your hands to see me through this.

Two weeks later my neighbor came over and said that he and a friend had bought some cattle at a really good price but didn't have anywhere to place them at the present.

He said that his friend was a roofing contractor and had noticed the roof on your barn was in need of replacement. He also noticed that I had an extra 5 acre pature that was not being used.

He then said that if provided the shingles (about $5,000) his friend would bring in a crew and replace my roof for $1000 if I let them use that 5 acre pasture for the cattle for up to 5 years.

A $16,000 roof has now turned into a $6,000 roof that I could afford, and God did it!

[Dānu]

No, a $16,000 roof turned into a $6,000 roof and pasturage for livestock of undetermined value. Like I said, your belief is based upon your bad thinking skills.

[Charlie24]

No, a $16,000 roof turned into a $6,000 roof and pasturage for livestock of undetermined value.  Like I said, your belief is based upon your bad thinking skills.

Ok, if that's the way you see it.

Jeremiah 33:3

"Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not."

Malachi 3:10

"Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it."

Tithe means a "tenth" in other words a tenth of your earnings.

I tithe to the Lord in faith as He has commanded.

[epronovost]

A $16,000 roof has now turned into a $6,000 roof that I could afford, and God did it!

Where the hell did God do anything in the story? The person who got you the deal was your friend who had a friend; that's not a pleasant and unexpected event brought by divine powers, it's just called networking. I once had a toilet incident that could have costed me $1000 to repair, but my father knew a guy who knew a young plumber ready to do the job for $200 to create himself a new client base in the area he just moved in. Boom, I saved a lot of money and got myself a good plumber in my contacts. What sort of argument is this?