Chance or Design

[Dānu]

Charlie is a typical Christian. Willfully ignorant, no matter who it harms. He does not care. He's another "fuck you, I got mine" believer.

[Charlie24]

One other thing I would like to add to the thought of my last post.

God could speak the worlds into existence, but He could not speak away sin, it would have been a violation of His own Law.

[emphasis mine]

Citation needed.  Bible quotations are accepted here.     

Only the Blood of Jesus Christ could take sin away from man. But only for the one who believes.

His Law in Romans 6:23 " For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord" is a death sentence that will stand to the end. 

The sin that was committed in the Garden could only be taken away through the Blood of Christ, or He would have violated His Law. "for the wages of sin is death." The sentence had to be carried out.

Lev. 17:11

"For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul."

[brewerb]

He sees you masturbating Charlie, even when it's mental.

[Dānu]

[emphasis mine]

Citation needed.  Bible quotations are accepted here.     

Only the Blood of Jesus Christ could take sin away from man. But only for the one who believes.

His Law in Romans 6:23 " For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord" is a death sentence that will stand to the end. 

The sin that was committed in the Garden could only be taken away through the Blood of Christ, or He would have violated His Law. "for the wages of sin is death." The sentence had to be carried out.

Lev. 17:11

"For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul."

That doesn't meet the bar.

It says that the flesh can atone for sin, but it doesn't say that blood is the only way to discharge sin, nor that such is his law. You added the law part all by yourself. Are you in the habit of reinventing God?

I will also draw your attention to a nearby passage:
"15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? By no means!"

[Charlie24]

Only the Blood of Jesus Christ could take sin away from man. But only for the one who believes.

His Law in Romans 6:23 " For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord" is a death sentence that will stand to the end. 

The sin that was committed in the Garden could only be taken away through the Blood of Christ, or He would have violated His Law. "for the wages of sin is death." The sentence had to be carried out.

Lev. 17:11

"For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul."

That doesn't meet the bar.  It says that the flesh can atone for sin, but it doesn't say that blood is the only way to discharge sin, nor that such is his law.

It clearly says, "for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul." That is the blood of Jesus Christ.

The "life of the flesh is in the blood." Don't get it backwards, read it carefully.

[Dānu]

That doesn't meet the bar.  It says that the flesh can atone for sin, but it doesn't say that blood is the only way to discharge sin, nor that such is his law.

It clearly says, "for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul." That is the blood of Jesus Christ.

The "life of the flesh is in the blood." Don't get it backwards, read it carefully.

Yes, it says the blood makes the atonement, not that it must be blood or there is no discharge of the debt. You're adding a qualification that isn't there.

[Charlie24]

It clearly says, "for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul." That is the blood of Jesus Christ.

The "life of the flesh is in the blood." Don't get it backwards, read it carefully.

Yes, it says the blood makes the atonement, not that it must be blood or there is no discharge of the debt.  You're adding a qualification that isn't there.

Let me try another way.

God would have broken His Law "for the wages of sin is death" if He had took away the sin of Adam and Eve in the Garden.

His Law had to be carried out to uphold His Law, or He would be a liar.

Sin has continued from then until now because we are born in sin, we are actually born sinners, all of us.

But if we accept Christ as our Saviour we are no longer sinners in the sight of God, we have been pardoned from the Law "for the wages of sin is death." And no longer the property of Satan, but have become the sons of God.

[Charlie24]

Yes, it says the blood makes the atonement, not that it must be blood or there is no discharge of the debt.  You're adding a qualification that isn't there.

Let me try another way.

God would have broken His Law "for the wages of sin is death" if He had took away the sin of Adam and Eve in the Garden.

His Law had to be carried out to uphold His Law, or He would be a liar.

Sin has continued from then until now because we are born in sin, we are actually born sinners, all of us.

But if we accept Christ as our Saviour we are no longer sinners in the sight of God, we have been pardoned from the Law "for the wages of sin is death." And no longer the property of Satan, but have become the sons of God.

This goes back to the 2 deaths that I spoke of earlier in another thread. As I told you, one is a physical death and the other is the spiritual death.

"For the wages of sin is dearth" is both physical and spiritual death. But when ione accepts Christ as Saviour, that person has become exempt from the second death, the spiritual death.

[Dānu]

Yes, it says the blood makes the atonement, not that it must be blood or there is no discharge of the debt.  You're adding a qualification that isn't there.

Let me try another way.

God would have broken His Law "for the wages of sin is death" if He had took away the sin of Adam and Eve in the Garden.

His Law had to be carried out to uphold His Law, or He would be a liar.

Sin has continued from then until now because we are born in sin, we are actually born sinners, all of us.

But if we accept Christ as our Saviour we are no longer sinners in the sight of God, we have been pardoned from the Law "for the wages of sin is death." And no longer the property of Satan, but have become the sons of God.

You haven't established it was a law. Stop building things atop sand.

[Charlie24]

Let me try another way.

God would have broken His Law "for the wages of sin is death" if He had took away the sin of Adam and Eve in the Garden.

His Law had to be carried out to uphold His Law, or He would be a liar.

Sin has continued from then until now because we are born in sin, we are actually born sinners, all of us.

But if we accept Christ as our Saviour we are no longer sinners in the sight of God, we have been pardoned from the Law "for the wages of sin is death." And no longer the property of Satan, but have become the sons of God.

You haven't established it was a law.  Stop building things atop sand.

If you're looking for another citation, I have told you before I have none but Scripture.

But if you're looking for further proof of "for the wages of sin is death" being a Law of God from the Scripture, here it is.

Genesis 2:17

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

[rocinantexyz]

You haven't established it was a law.  Stop building things atop sand.

Oh well that is 2 of us that are skeptical that the universe operates by real estate laws!

[Dānu]

You haven't established it was a law.  Stop building things atop sand.

If you're looking for another citation, I have told you before I have none but Scripture.

But if you're looking for further proof of "for the wages of sin is death" being a Law of God from the Scripture, here it is.

Genesis 2:17

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

That doesn't say it's a law either. Charlie, you're making up things that aren't sanctioned by the bible.

[Charlie24]

You haven't established it was a law.  Stop building things atop sand.

Oh well that is 2 of us that are skeptical that the universe operates by real estate laws!

I can explain the the Laws of God from the Apostle Paul, who Christ gave these Laws to and he has written them down for us.

This is advanced learning from Scripture but not that hard, believe me, it gets much more intense than this.

Just for a starter, here are the Laws of the universe, that God and Satan and all of creation abides by.

"There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death."

[Dānu]

Oh well that is 2 of us that are skeptical that the universe operates by real estate laws!

I can explain the the Laws of God from the Apostle Paul, who Christ gave these Laws to and he has written them down for us.

This is advanced learning from Scripture but not that hard, believe me, it gets much more intense than this.

Just for a starter, here are the Laws of the universe, that God and Satan and all of creation abides by.

"There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death."

This doesn't say that the law of sin and death is a law that applies to God.

[Charlie24]

I can explain the the Laws of God from the Apostle Paul, who Christ gave these Laws to and he has written them down for us.

This is advanced learning from Scripture but not that hard, believe me, it gets much more intense than this.

Just for a starter, here are the Laws of the universe, that God and Satan and all of creation abides by.

"There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death."

This doesn't say that the law of sin and death is a law that applies to God.

I have just shown you that it applies to God!

God would have broken His own Law of sin and death if He had taken away the sin in the Garden.

Would you like for me to explain these Laws of the universe so you can put it together for yourself?

[Dānu]

This doesn't say that the law of sin and death is a law that applies to God.

I have just shown you that it applies to God!

God would have broken His own Law of sin and death if He had taken away the sin in the Garden.

Would you like for me to explain these Laws of the universe so you can put it together for yourself?

You've asserted it. Nothing you've posted shows it. Let me ask you a related question. Is it possible that your understanding of this is incorrect?

[Charlie24]

I have just shown you that it applies to God!

God would have broken His own Law of sin and death if He had taken away the sin in the Garden.

Would you like for me to explain these Laws of the universe so you can put it together for yourself?

You've asserted it.  Nothing you've posted shows it.  Let me ask you a related question.  Is it possible that your understanding of this is incorrect?

I will readily admit as any Bible student who would be honest, I don't know everything or understand everything about Word of God. 

But on this subject we are now discussing, I am 100% sure that my understanding on the Laws of the Universe are correct according to Scripture.

[Dānu]

You've asserted it.  Nothing you've posted shows it.  Let me ask you a related question.  Is it possible that your understanding of this is incorrect?

I will readily admit as any Bible student who would be honest, I don't know everything or understand everything about Word of God. 

But on this subject we are now discussing, I am 100% sure that my understanding on the Laws of the Universe are correct according to Scripture.

So it's not possible? Not at all?

[Charlie24]

I will readily admit as any Bible student who would be honest, I don't know everything or understand everything about Word of God. 

But on this subject we are now discussing, I am 100% sure that my understanding on the Laws of the Universe are correct according to Scripture.

So it's not possible?  Not at all?

There's that skepticism, but we Bible students see that as a good thing. We are skeptics also when we read the Word of God.

I tell you what, why don't I start a new thread on "The Laws of the Universe" and you decide for yourself if any of it makes sense.

I'll include Scripture verses to back up what I say. So it will take a day or two working on it in my spare time.

[Dānu]

So it's not possible?  Not at all?

There's that skepticism, but we Bible students see that as a good thing. We are skeptics also when we read the Word of God.

I tell you what, why don't I start a new thread on "The Laws of the Universe" and you decide for yourself if any of it makes sense.

I'll include Scripture verses to back up what I say. So it will take a day or two working on it in my spare time.

Are you going to answer the questions?

[Charlie24]

There's that skepticism, but we Bible students see that as a good thing. We are skeptics also when we read the Word of God.

I tell you what, why don't I start a new thread on "The Laws of the Universe" and you decide for yourself if any of it makes sense.

I'll include Scripture verses to back up what I say. So it will take a day or two working on it in my spare time.

Are you going to answer the questions?

Of course the possibilities of my being wrong are ever present.

But I've been doing this a long time, covered every angle, and I'm very confident on the subject.

[Dānu]

Are you going to answer the questions?

Of course the possibilities of my being wrong are ever present.

But I've been doing this a long time, covered every angle, and I'm very confident on the subject.

Very confident and 100% are not the same thing. You know what I think? I think you lack the skills needed to accurately assess how confident you should be.

[Charlie24]

Of course the possibilities of my being wrong are ever present.

But I've been doing this a long time, covered every angle, and I'm very confident on the subject.

Very confident and 100% are not the same thing.  You know what I think?  I think you lack the skills needed to accurately assess how confident you should be.

You could be right. My skills probably could use use some upgrading.

[Charlie24]

Regardless of what any scientist with his/her/their extreme knowledge may say,

Corrected for you.

Thank you, I don't mean to leave out her/their I suppose we should include that but it's hard to remember, though at times I do add that.

[Charlie24]

One other thing I would like to add to the thought of my last post.

God could speak the worlds into existence, but He could not speak away sin, it would have been a violation of His own Law.

So He had to send a Redeemer (Jesus Christ) to take that sin away from man.

What law? How could it be a violation of his own law if he made the law?
Have you been drinking the cooking sherry?

God abides by His Laws in many aspects. That would make another good thread to explain.