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Yes, Virginia, Atheists Have a Worldview
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Yes, Virginia, Atheists Have a Worldview
Yeah, the whataboutism is pretty reprehensible.
Mountain-high though the difficulties appear, terrible and gloomy though all things seem, they are but Mâyâ.
Fear not — it is banished. Crush it, and it vanishes. Stamp upon it, and it dies.


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#77

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(01-02-2024, 05:34 PM)Dave Armstrong Wrote:
(01-02-2024, 05:22 PM)mordant Wrote: Yes some 1200 or so dead IIRC and I will just point out that an appropriate response to that is not the death and maiming of tens of thousands of Palestinians, many of whom are not radicalized or sympathetic to Hamas despite Israels' best efforts over the past 8 or so decades. Nor is the bulldozing of cemeteries in recent days, probably to destroy evidence as much as anything. The warrantless arrest and torture of medical workers. And a lot of other things that are easy to find from credible sources online if you dare.

Just stating it for balance.

I won't be talking about politics here, either, but I must note the obvious fact that Israel repeatedly told the Gazans to leave the city, so that they could kill the terrorists and destroy once and for all their endless tunnel systems. It's Hamas who didn't give a damn about its own people and tried to prevent them from leaving, and who build their terrorist facilities below hospitals and schools, etc. They don't give a rat's ass about their "own" people, anymore than they do about Israelis. They're haters and murderers. 

The fanatical leaders of the Palestinians have flatly turned down, again and again, any effort at peaceful solutions (and there have been many), because they refuse to allow Israel the right to exist; therefore nothing can be done with leaders who hate, and who teach their children to hate Jews. No peace will ever come as long as that happens.

Even many other Arab states are now figuring out who is for peace and who is against it.

Polls consistently show that about 80-85% of the Palestinians in Gaza agree with the terrorists, and that's because they are brainwashed to hate Jews from birth. So there are some moderates, but a small minority. These are people who chose terrorists to be their political leaders. There was one election in 2005 and there has never been another. The fruit of that is evident now. Nice move there. The Israelis gave them Gaza and have provided them with free gas and water. But nothing is ever enough. They had to start killing innocent civilians again.

And (hopefully!) that's my last political comment here.

I think it's far more about hating those who stole their land and disenfranchised them than it is about religious belief.
“Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet. 
Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich.”
― Napoleon Bonaparte
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#78

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(01-02-2024, 09:41 PM)Aliza Wrote:
(01-02-2024, 04:13 PM)Deesse23 Wrote: Didnt we just a few months back have another fanatic catholic, crying about persecution of christians/catholics, while minimizing everything this religion ever has done to humanity, Xavier something.

I am seeing also other common (speech) patterns like referring to atheists as if they were some homogenuous group, as if they werent individuals.

@Aliza
Are we sure this isnt a sock? Or are all those nutjob fanatic catholics the same?

I noticed that you and Danu determined that the person you're referring to is from another forum, but just so you know, I'm never sure that someone isn't a sock. The criteria for entering the forum are 1) You are not a spammer 2) You can write coherently in such a way that I believe you are +13 years old. 3)Your IP is not already registered to another user. 

In that opening post when ideally you're on your best behavior, I can't really tell if you're someone else if you're savvy enough to switch IPs. Similarity to former users unfolds over time.

I think there are more tools available to help determine sockishness.  We used them at TTA. Consider
“Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet. 
Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich.”
― Napoleon Bonaparte
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(01-02-2024, 05:34 PM)Dave Armstrong Wrote: The Israelis gave them Gaza and ....
...after Israel occupied the whole area post 1948, afaik. Stealing all your money, and then giving you some back is also not nice.
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Quote:Less than a year from the 2024 election, the latest polls show that some two-thirds of Republicans falsely believe that the 2020 presidential election was rigged. Gateway Pundit’s influence helps explain why, experts in disinformation say. Though the site employs only a handful of regular writers, it has played an outsize role in popularizing false claims.

“Gateway Pundit is a known source of disinformation that quickly trades up the chain,” said Joan Donovan, an assistant professor at Boston University studying online disinformation and media manipulation. “Because when they report a piece of information, it gives others license to do so.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/...ion-fraud/

Should we view the 'reasonable apologist' as the tip of the spear?
Mountain-high though the difficulties appear, terrible and gloomy though all things seem, they are but Mâyâ.
Fear not — it is banished. Crush it, and it vanishes. Stamp upon it, and it dies.


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(01-02-2024, 10:48 PM)mordant Wrote: I have been quite active on another site like this and occasionally active on a couple of others and I have always noted that the level of anti-theist vitriol is very high here compared to anyplace else I've been ... I don't think all believers deserve that. I'm not under any more illusion that I could change Dave's views than he likely is that he can change mine ... but he and I would probably get along fine IRL so I feel no particular need to be impatient or caustic with him. Others may beg to differ, and that is fine. You do you.

I don't think that level of vitriol is high here it's more that idiocy isn't met with applause. Quoting some shitty mythology book don't results in head pats and cooing as it ain't Sunday school. 

Quote:For the record I also take a dim view of minimizing the Inquisition, but it doesn't surprise me that a Catholic would be more likely to minimize it than to reject just that piece of their system, especially since they are provided I'm sure with a set of pre-made rationalizations. I imagine that like most Catholics, Christianity = Catholicism so that is what his "apologetic" is about. The reason I didn't respond to that specifically is it is just not a battle I'm likely to pick and I'm not sure that litigating precisely how many burnings at the stake were or were not technically church-sanctioned really makes any sense even if I wanted to do the research. One would have been too many, and a terrible indictment. That it happened at all speaks for itself. If Dave doesn't see that, then I can't help him.

It's just mean that catholic doing minimizing is a shitty person but that's catholic default mode as by merely being one he worships genocidal tyrant and sees nothing wrong with it. 

Quote:Maybe you're right and every dialog with every theist is a waste of time and should devolve quickly into mutual recrimination (certainly there's no shortage of material when it comes to theism) or just be avoided altogether. But my intuition is that effectively making this a walled atheist garden isn't the answer, at least when we have someone who is making any sort of effort to understand and see our side of things. For all I know that's just subterfuge and a gambit to get our guard down. If that turns out to be the case I'll be the first to admit it. But I also have a lot of confidence in the positions I've arrived at, and I am not really out anything if that turns out to be the case. Live and learn I guess. It's not like anyone's going to get the best of me.

Talking with theists is - in general - waste of time I would say. They either don't know what they're talking about or just show their profound immorality with every word they utter. But it can't be different as ideology (speaking about christians specifically here) they adhere to is about as moral as nazism with head honcho even more murderous than Hitler.
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Quote:Talking with theists is - in general - waste of time I would say. 

I agree with you, Szu, but they keep coming here and throwing dirt on our carpets in the vain hope that a) somehow they will come up with something we haven't heard 1000 times before or b) that they'll get brownie points from this jesus asshole when they die.

Either way, they serve as amusement.

This latest installment claiming Eistein was a god-lover has obviously never gotten his head out of the buy-bull long enough to know Ingersoll's observation:

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There is nothing new under the sun with these guys!
Robert G. Ingersoll : “No man with a sense of humor ever founded a religion.”
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