11-16-2023, 12:03 PM
(This post was last modified: 11-16-2023, 12:04 PM by Brian37.)
Ayaan Hirsi Ali says she is a Christian now.
Ayaan Hirsi Ali says she is a Christian now.
You can go to her Twitter/X page and scroll down to where she has a picture of herself and the title under her face says, "Why I Am Now A Christian. "
I cant get a damned link to work so you'll have to go there.
It is an appeal to tradition claiming that the west needs Christianity to defend against Islam and uses the same old tired trope of all authoritarian states are atheist, and that is also false. Below is my rebuttal.
It is often argued that all dictators are atheists, and that is flat out not true. It is also argued that authoritarian states are all atheist populations, and that is also not true.
Hitler was not an atheist, he was his own brand of Catholic/occult/deist. His book Mien Kompf mention's God several times. The Nazi belt buckles read , "Gott min uns" or "God is with us". And there are plenty of pictures of Hitler smiling with the Clergy who were on his side. His biggest religious influence was the medieval priest Martin Luther who was a huge antisemite. Cuba is a Catholic majority.
Now while Stalin was an atheist, he still had to garner the support of the Russian Orthodox Christian majority to rise to power, and again when he new he had to fight Hitler. And Mussolini also ruled over a Catholic majority country.
And as far as Asian leaders like Mao and Po Pot they ruled over Taoist/Buddhists and other local folk ancestor religions.
Christianity was spread throughout Europe by sword. It spawned the dark ages, inquisitions and witch hunts. Christians forced slaves to America and anyone claiming the Civil War was not fought over slavery should look up on YouTube the full "Cornerstone Speech" written by Confederate Vice President Alexander H. Stevens in which he said the war was about slavery and that blacks were the inferior race and should accept God's order. Native Americans were murdered and their land stolen because of the concept of "Manifest Destany" which is the Christian idea that God entitled them to take the land. In Mexico, and Central and South America Spaniards and Latin European countries killed of and displaced the indigenous natives too with the Conquistadors.
And in modern times their were American Nazis in pre, during and post WW2 that lived in America and supported Hitler. There was a Nazi rally held at Madison Square Garden in 1939 on the eve of WW2. Now while Martin Luther King Jr was a Christian, White Christians didn't like him and they murdered him because white Christians thought they were the superior race. Same with the KKK.
Now we see White Christian Nationalism and Neo Nazism rising because of the dog whistle support by Trump, who may or may not believe in a God, but that is besides the point because the MAGA republicans do. And on top of that MAGA republicans are anti science, anti education, anti minority anti anti democracy. And the MAGA Christian right took female body autonomy away from them.
Religion has no magic power to keep society pluralistic. Theocracies like Iran and Saudi Arabia and groups like the Taliban are proof of religious tyranny. Ayaan is not wrong in saying that Islam is used for political violence. But if one were to suddenly strip America of it's secular concept of Jefferson's wall and took out "no religious test" in the Constitution America would quickly turn into the a religious authoritarian state as well.
Atheism doesn't protect pluralism, nor does theism. The only thing that protects pluralism is secularism. Secularism does not mean "atheist only", "secular" means neutral, picking no favorites, setting up no social pecking order, it means equality.
Ayaan even said herself in that article, she is new to Christianity and has a lot to learn about it. That indicates to me she simply fell for someone being nice to her and painting a pretty picture for her.
I cant get a damned link to work so you'll have to go there.
It is an appeal to tradition claiming that the west needs Christianity to defend against Islam and uses the same old tired trope of all authoritarian states are atheist, and that is also false. Below is my rebuttal.
It is often argued that all dictators are atheists, and that is flat out not true. It is also argued that authoritarian states are all atheist populations, and that is also not true.
Hitler was not an atheist, he was his own brand of Catholic/occult/deist. His book Mien Kompf mention's God several times. The Nazi belt buckles read , "Gott min uns" or "God is with us". And there are plenty of pictures of Hitler smiling with the Clergy who were on his side. His biggest religious influence was the medieval priest Martin Luther who was a huge antisemite. Cuba is a Catholic majority.
Now while Stalin was an atheist, he still had to garner the support of the Russian Orthodox Christian majority to rise to power, and again when he new he had to fight Hitler. And Mussolini also ruled over a Catholic majority country.
And as far as Asian leaders like Mao and Po Pot they ruled over Taoist/Buddhists and other local folk ancestor religions.
Christianity was spread throughout Europe by sword. It spawned the dark ages, inquisitions and witch hunts. Christians forced slaves to America and anyone claiming the Civil War was not fought over slavery should look up on YouTube the full "Cornerstone Speech" written by Confederate Vice President Alexander H. Stevens in which he said the war was about slavery and that blacks were the inferior race and should accept God's order. Native Americans were murdered and their land stolen because of the concept of "Manifest Destany" which is the Christian idea that God entitled them to take the land. In Mexico, and Central and South America Spaniards and Latin European countries killed of and displaced the indigenous natives too with the Conquistadors.
And in modern times their were American Nazis in pre, during and post WW2 that lived in America and supported Hitler. There was a Nazi rally held at Madison Square Garden in 1939 on the eve of WW2. Now while Martin Luther King Jr was a Christian, White Christians didn't like him and they murdered him because white Christians thought they were the superior race. Same with the KKK.
Now we see White Christian Nationalism and Neo Nazism rising because of the dog whistle support by Trump, who may or may not believe in a God, but that is besides the point because the MAGA republicans do. And on top of that MAGA republicans are anti science, anti education, anti minority anti anti democracy. And the MAGA Christian right took female body autonomy away from them.
Religion has no magic power to keep society pluralistic. Theocracies like Iran and Saudi Arabia and groups like the Taliban are proof of religious tyranny. Ayaan is not wrong in saying that Islam is used for political violence. But if one were to suddenly strip America of it's secular concept of Jefferson's wall and took out "no religious test" in the Constitution America would quickly turn into the a religious authoritarian state as well.
Atheism doesn't protect pluralism, nor does theism. The only thing that protects pluralism is secularism. Secularism does not mean "atheist only", "secular" means neutral, picking no favorites, setting up no social pecking order, it means equality.
Ayaan even said herself in that article, she is new to Christianity and has a lot to learn about it. That indicates to me she simply fell for someone being nice to her and painting a pretty picture for her.
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