Catholicism and Cannibalism

[pythagorean]

Just kidding...this is just an old myth, although I've seen certain anti-science atheists pushing this dangerous myth before, even after being presented with the historical and anthropological science.

This is one of the reasons why I believe that us atheists need to embrace science, instead of rejecting science.

Es cierto que los procesos de colonización y evangelización marcaron la pauta dualista entre el bien y el mal, y este diablo es el acusador, el que controla, es el maligno; el Valle del Patía ha sido conocido históricamente como un territorio portador del mal. El Patía lugar escabroso, de negros, de abigeato, bajeza asociada al ejercicio de la fuerza, de la esgrima, del crimen y el trabajo forzoso en la minería. Recuerdo de niña que, en Popayán, ciertos adultos le decían a los niños cuando eran necios, traviesos, desobedientes y callejeros sin permiso de los padres, frases como: Si te portas mal, te come o te mata un negro del Patía. Epítetos como “negros”, “salvajes”, “infieles”, “sin alma” a lo largo de la colonia y hasta mediados del siglo XX, eran el mal para todo aquel que no estaba dentro de la norma establecida por la conducta moral del Estado-nación. Unos ‘irracionales’ -eran considerados los afros- en una racionalidad colonial, por su particular concepción y comportamiento distintos; posteriormente fueron declarados “apátridas” por no ser partícipes de las contiendas en la campaña libertadora comandada por Simón Bolívar, quien participa en una lucha libertadora en la que quienes comandaban eran los que habían sido sus amos antes de fugarse al haber sido esclavos.

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Las almas de los violines 'negros'

Dr. Paloma Muñoz

Las almas de los violines negros (unicauca.edu.co)

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It is true that the processes of colonization and evangelization set the dualistic pattern between good and evil, and this devil is the accuser, the one who controls, the evil one; the Patía Valley has historically been known as a territory bearing evil. Patía, a rugged place, associated with black people, cattle theft, lowliness linked to the exercise of force, fencing, crime, and forced labor in mining. I remember as a child in Popayán, certain adults would tell children phrases like: "If you behave badly, a black person from Patía will eat you or kill you." Epithets such as "blacks," "savages," "infidels," "soulless" throughout the colonial period and until the mid-20th century, represented evil for anyone who did not conform to the established moral conduct of the nation-state. The Afro-descendants were considered "irrational" in a colonial rationality due to their distinctive conception and behavior; later, they were declared "stateless" for not participating in the liberation campaign led by Simón Bolívar, who fought for freedom alongside those who had been their masters before they escaped from slavery.

[Bucky Ball]

There is no Eucharist in the Gospel of John.

No Jew would propose that anyone eat his flesh or drink his blood.
An abomination.

It proves that whoever or whenever the gospels were "done" it was WAY beyond their (supposed) Jewish origins.

[pythagorean]

Wherever it may or may not appear, the Eucharist is not cannibalism. 

I've heard of similar Blood Libels against the Jews.

Paloma is a little younger than me, but I sure hope that parents in Popayán don't tell their children this in the 21st century.

It reminds me of the Spanish Inquisition.

The Witch Hunt in Cartagena- History of Cartagena

[Bucky Ball]

"Body, blood, soul and divinity" ... is by definition, cannibalism, AND the dogma.
No Jew would abide that shit. An abomination.

[pythagorean]

"Body, blood, soul and divinity" ... is by definition, cannibalism, AND the dogma.
No Jew would abide that shit. An abomination.

That's just a Blood Libel.

[Bucky Ball]

"Body, blood, soul and divinity" ... is by definition, cannibalism, AND the dogma.
No Jew would abide that shit. An abomination.

That's just a Blood Libel.

Meaningless bullshit.

[pythagorean]

That's just a Blood Libel.

Meaningless bullshit.

Satanic Panic.

[Bucky Ball]

Meaningless bullshit.

Satanic Panic.

LMFAO

[pythagorean]

Satanic Panic.

LMFAO

You didn't learn this hate in any world religion class.

It was pre-existing.

You don't teach this to your children, I hope, because that's what really matters, not what either you or I believe.

Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young - Teach Your Children (Official Music Video)

[Aegon]

I travelled to Cartagena a couple of months ago and went to the Inquisition museum. I had no idea the Spanish Inquisition extended to all their territories (although in hindsight that makes perfect sense), brutal stuff.

[Bucky Ball]

LMFAO

You didn't learn this hate in any world religion class.

It was pre-existing.

You don't teach this to your children, I hope, because that's what really matters, not what either you or I believe.

Sorry Charlie.
It's not hate.
It's a fact.
Read yourself up on some "Kosher".
It was an abomination.

[Cranky]

The notion that a piece of stale unleavened bread is Jesus is simply comical. I mean there's a statistically finite chance that an atom in that piece of bread once was part of Jesus's body, but that's it.

I've seen Catholics grovelling on the floor to pick up and consume a dropped host. I've heard of Catholics going nuts because some tiny particle of "Jesus" may have fallen off the host and been trodden on. I remind them that Jesus shed dandruff, skin particles and hair like the rest of us, and he pissed and shat like the rest of us. So if the eucharist *is* Jesus, what's the big deal about bits and pieces falling off the host?

I know some really, really intelligent Catholics. Doctors, lawyers, businessmen, scientists, philosophers. What baffles me is how they can believe in this shit.

[Minimalist]

Indoctrination when they were kids.

[airportkid]

If Catholic transubstantiation were real that means some parishioners are eating some of Jesus' anus.

Jesus was, say, 130 lbs sopping wet and full of lunch?

On any given Sunday around the world how many parishioners are munching on Jesus?  There are 1.3B Catholics worldwide, out of which 43% take communion, or 559M.
A communion wafer is .25 gram.  124,750,000 grams to 559M masticating worshipers.  454 grams in 1 pound.  274,000 pounds.

There are tons more of something other than Jesus.  Is that the Holy Ghost?

That explains why many people after taking communion feel as if they haven't had anything to eat at all - they'd partaken of a spirit.

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[Rhythmcs]

If Catholic transubstantiation were real that means some parishioners are eating some of Jesus' anus.

Jesus was, say, 130 lbs sopping wet and full of lunch?

On any given Sunday around the world how many parishioners are munching on Jesus?  There are 1.3B Catholics worldwide, out of which 43% take communion, or 559M.
A communion wafer is .25 gram.  124,750,000 grams to 559M masticating worshipers.  454 grams in 1 pound.  274,000 pounds.

There are tons more of something other than Jesus.  Is that the Holy Ghost?

That explains why many people after taking communion feel as if they haven't had anything to eat at all - they'd partaken of a spirit.

If he can multiply the fishes, he can probably come up with some extra anus for superfans too.

[Cranky]

If Catholic transubstantiation were real that means some parishioners are eating some of Jesus' anus.

The "official" teaching is that Jesus takes on the "accidents" of the bread and wine.

Which sounds like some kind of molecular rearrangement that turns the carbon, oxygen, nitrogen, hydrogen etc. that was Jesus into billions of little wafers of stale unleavened bread.  

Except that as you point out, mathematically, there's not enough Jesus to go around and feed half a billion people every Sunday (ps you forgot to add that they always confect more Jesus-crackers than they need on Sundays just in case they rope in more fools than planned)..

Or maybe the JWs are right and there's only 144,000 to feed.  Yeah that's it...  if my math isn't too far off, that's 36 kg of Jesus to spread around.  Should be plenty for, oh, maybe 2 Sundays.  The rest just think they're eating Jesus.  Proving what a bunch of grifters the Church is.  Because pay, pray and obey.  So Cardinal Burke et al can have their sumptuous apartments in Rome while the populo barbaro struggle to put food on the table.

Of course it's all a bunch of cow poop.

[Rhythmcs]

Two sundays was enough to make it to the end of the world, according to the "you here will not taste death" theory of messianic return.

It's not like they expected to be serving brunch for two thousand years.

[airportkid]

Which sounds like some kind of molecular rearrangement that turns the carbon, oxygen, nitrogen, hydrogen etc. that was Jesus into billions of little wafers of stale unleavened bread.  

Which in order to have any effect other than just any atoms of carbon, oxygen, nitrogen and hydrogen the Jesus atoms must have serial numbers.  Somewhere there's a gigantic ledger that records the serial numbers of constituent atoms by section of Jesus anatomy at each moment in time, and a mechanism for gathering and consolidating all these atoms into wafers, carefully calibrated so that atoms with the wrong serial numbers don't accidentally get included.  The moment in time factor is important because from one second to the next, the actual full complement of atoms that make up a person change, as cells are replaced, water incorporated, food incorporated, water and digested food expelled, etc.  That change, second by second, across decades does provide a supply of atoms that would exceed several hundred thousand pounds.  So, great scott! - transubstantiation could work after all!

But only it atoms have serial numbers, and a ledger kept.  Has the Vatican catacomb archive been looked at?  Lotta volumes in there.

If a serial numbered atom includes a collection of serial numbered electrons, which transfer between atoms continuously, the ledgers necessary may require more mass that is available in the universe.  But this could answer for the problem of evil.  A god spending its time keeping a ledger like that up to date would have no time at all to stop evil.

[Minimalist]

Leave it to the PEW research center....


https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/...ian%20life.

Just one-third of U.S. Catholics agree with their church that Eucharist is body, blood of Christ

 In fact, nearly seven-in-ten Catholics (69%) say they personally believe that during Catholic Mass, the bread and wine used in Communion “are symbols of the body and blood of Jesus Christ.” Just one-third of U.S. Catholics (31%) say they believe that “during Catholic Mass, the bread and wine actually become the body and blood of Jesus.”

Which means that 2/3 of catholicks are slightly smarter than the other 1/3....even though they all show up to support pervert priests!

[Bucky Ball]

If Catholic transubstantiation were real that means some parishioners are eating some of Jesus' anus.

The "official" teaching is that Jesus takes on the "accidents" of the bread and wine.

Which sounds like some kind of molecular rearrangement that turns the carbon, oxygen, nitrogen, hydrogen etc. that was Jesus into billions of little wafers of stale unleavened bread.  

Except that as you point out, mathematically, there's not enough Jesus to go around and feed half a billion people every Sunday (ps you forgot to add that they always confect more Jesus-crackers than they need on Sundays just in case they rope in more fools than planned)..

Or maybe the JWs are right and there's only 144,000 to feed.  Yeah that's it...  if my math isn't too far off, that's 36 kg of Jesus to spread around.  Should be plenty for, oh, maybe 2 Sundays.  The rest just think they're eating Jesus.  Proving what a bunch of grifters the Church is.  Because pay, pray and obey.  So Cardinal Burke et al can have their sumptuous apartments in Rome while the populo barbaro struggle to put food on the table.

Of course it's all a bunch of cow poop.

The official doctrine is that "under the accidents" of bread and wine, (which do not change in any way), the SUBSTANCE changes into Jesus. The accidents do not change, the "substance" (Greek *substance"). is what changes.
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/subst...s%20things'.

[Rhythmcs]

Like how larpers wrap duct tape around a pool noodle and it's transformed into the substance of a broadsword.

[Bucky Ball]

It probably made sense to ancients and the Council of Trent, as through the centuries, Christians cooked up what their religion would become.
https://www.ewtn.com/catholicism/library...trent-3090

[Rhythmcs]

I'd say the explanation suggests it never made sense to anyone - but they were stuck with it.

[Dancefortwo]

Ah yes, food of the gods.   Yummy for the tummy.