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Does anyone have any unique views about the trolley problem?
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Does anyone have any unique views about the trolley problem?
While most of you probably know what the trolley problem is, do any of you have interesting views or theories about this? 



https://theconversation.com/the-trolley-...five-57111

It's weird how you can justify sacrificing one person for the lives of 5 in the first scenario, but you are unwilling to do so by pushing a guy off the bridge in the second scenario, even when the end result is ultimately the same. 
A friend of mine once said that he would not push the lever in the first scenario, therefore solving the problem. His reasoning was that it wasn't for him to decide who should die and who gets to live.

Awaiting your thoughts.
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Winston Churchill faced essentially the same problem when British Intelligence had decoded German communications and discovered an air raid planned for a city north of London.  Churchill made the decision to NOT warn the city of the imminent raid because doing so would alert Germany that Britain was able to decode their communications.
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(10-11-2023, 01:14 AM)airportkid Wrote: Winston Churchill faced essentially the same problem when British Intelligence had decoded German communications and discovered an air raid planned for a city north of London.  Churchill made the decision to NOT warn the city of the imminent raid because doing so would alert Germany that Britain was able to decode their communications.

So the the trolley problem could be used in a number of real-life situations I guess. Similar to the Prisoner's Dilemma. I saw the show Golden Balls a few weeks ago and became obsessed with this thing, especially since it is used in so many real-life scenarios.
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#4

Does anyone have any unique views about the trolley problem?
Just let them all die, and go through their pockets for loose change.
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Does anyone have any unique views about the trolley problem?
(10-11-2023, 12:57 AM)Jarsa Wrote: While most of you probably know what the trolley problem is, do any of you have interesting views or theories about this? 



https://theconversation.com/the-trolley-...five-57111

It's weird how you can justify sacrificing one person for the lives of 5 in the first scenario, but you are unwilling to do so by pushing a guy off the bridge in the second scenario, even when the end result is ultimately the same. 
A friend of mine once said that he would not push the lever in the first scenario, therefore solving the problem. His reasoning was that it wasn't for him to decide who should die and who gets to live.

Awaiting your thoughts.

Me, kill one to save 5, assuming that the one and the five have the same realtive value, as opposed to one upstanding person vs 5 pedophiles, one young life vs 5 on death beds.

As to the bridge, why isn't there an option to jump? Why do you have to push someone else?
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental. 
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Does anyone have any unique views about the trolley problem?
(10-11-2023, 11:29 AM)brewerb Wrote:
(10-11-2023, 12:57 AM)Jarsa Wrote: While most of you probably know what the trolley problem is, do any of you have interesting views or theories about this? 



https://theconversation.com/the-trolley-...five-57111

It's weird how you can justify sacrificing one person for the lives of 5 in the first scenario, but you are unwilling to do so by pushing a guy off the bridge in the second scenario, even when the end result is ultimately the same. 
A friend of mine once said that he would not push the lever in the first scenario, therefore solving the problem. His reasoning was that it wasn't for him to decide who should die and who gets to live.

Awaiting your thoughts.

Me, kill one to save 5, assuming that the one and the five have the same realtive value, as opposed to  one upstanding person vs 5 pedophiles, one young life vs 5 on death beds.

As to the bridge, why isn't there an option to jump? Why do you have to push someone else?

Because the person you are pushing is fat enough to stop the train, and you aren't.
That's the problem part because while most people choose to kill one person save five in the first scenario, they are not willing to when they actually have to take an active role by pushing someone off the bridge. Even though it has the same utilitarian results in the end.
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#7

Does anyone have any unique views about the trolley problem?
Stay off the damn tracks.
Some people are too stupid to live.
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Does anyone have any unique views about the trolley problem?
The train would probably be cancelled here.
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"Kill them all.  Let god sort it out."

Famed xtian moralist Arnaud Amaury.
Robert G. Ingersoll : “No man with a sense of humor ever founded a religion.”
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I'm sorry, but everytime I hear about a trolley I immediately think, "The Trolley Song"!  I apologize in advance for screwing up this thread.

In this case the romantic lead is running to try and catch up with the trolley and everyone is rooting for him so he can sit next to the lovely Judy who immediately breaks into song because, why not.    Whistling

What an amazing talent she was....all 4' 11" of her.

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(10-11-2023, 03:38 PM)Dancefortwo Wrote: I'm sorry, but everytime I hear about a trolley I immediately think, "The Trolley Song"!  I apologize in advance for screwing up this thread.

In this case the romantic lead is running to try and catch up with the trolley and everyone is rooting for him so he can sit next to the lovely Judy who immediately breaks into song because, why not.    Whistling

What an amazing talent she was....all 4' 11" of her.


But the best thing is, (as my cousins reported to me), the criminal, ... criminal I tell you, who stole the ruby slippers, was caught and is pleading guilty.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45411765
There is justice after all.
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(10-11-2023, 03:06 PM)Jarsa Wrote:
(10-11-2023, 11:29 AM)brewerb Wrote: Me, kill one to save 5, assuming that the one and the five have the same realtive value, as opposed to  one upstanding person vs 5 pedophiles, one young life vs 5 on death beds.

As to the bridge, why isn't there an option to jump? Why do you have to push someone else?

Because the person you are pushing is fat enough to stop the train, and you aren't.
That's the problem part because while most people choose to kill one person save five in the first scenario, they are not willing to when they actually have to take an active role by pushing someone off the bridge. Even though it has the same utilitarian results in the end.

Diverting a train by pulling a rail switch is definitely different from pushing someone into the path of a train. Additionally, I'm not convinced a 'fat person' could stop a train anymore than skinny person, or a car.
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(10-11-2023, 05:12 PM)brewerb Wrote:
(10-11-2023, 03:06 PM)Jarsa Wrote: Because the person you are pushing is fat enough to stop the train, and you aren't.
That's the problem part because while most people choose to kill one person save five in the first scenario, they are not willing to when they actually have to take an active role by pushing someone off the bridge. Even though it has the same utilitarian results in the end.

Diverting a train by pulling a rail switch is definitely different from pushing someone into the path of a train. Additionally, I'm not convinced a 'fat person' could stop a train anymore than skinny person, or a car.

It might get the train to stop, giving you time to run down and alert them to the people on the track. lol.
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As always, the fat ginger kid goes under the wheels, and the logic is simple. Moral dilemma's don't ever have 'correct' answers hence the name, therefore any answer is as good as any other.
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Does anyone have any unique views about the trolley problem?
(10-11-2023, 05:27 PM)Inkubus Wrote: As always, the fat ginger kid goes under the wheels, and the logic is simple. Moral dilemma's don't ever have 'correct' answers hence the name, therefore any answer is as good as any other.

I agree.
That's if you're talking about Rupert Grint.
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(10-11-2023, 05:12 PM)brewerb Wrote:
(10-11-2023, 03:06 PM)Jarsa Wrote: Because the person you are pushing is fat enough to stop the train, and you aren't.
That's the problem part because while most people choose to kill one person save five in the first scenario, they are not willing to when they actually have to take an active role by pushing someone off the bridge. Even though it has the same utilitarian results in the end.

Diverting a train by pulling a rail switch is definitely different from pushing someone into the path of a train. Additionally, I'm not convinced a 'fat person' could stop a train anymore than skinny person, or a car.

It isn't really realistic as it's just a thought experiment.

Pulling the lever and pushing a person are not the same thing, but ultimately have the same result; you kill one person and save 5. What is different is that you take a more active role when you push the fat person. Morally the two situations are the same.
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Are the five people spot on with how they have lived their lives and are destined to live a perfect life of bliss for eternity? If so, push all five of them.
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(10-11-2023, 01:14 AM)airportkid Wrote: Winston Churchill faced essentially the same problem when British Intelligence had decoded German communications and discovered an air raid planned for a city north of London.  Churchill made the decision to NOT warn the city of the imminent raid because doing so would alert Germany that Britain was able to decode their communications.

Yes indeed, Coventry if I'm not mistaken.
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(10-11-2023, 03:38 PM)Dancefortwo Wrote: I'm sorry, but everytime I hear about a trolley I immediately think, "The Trolley Song"!  I apologize in advance for screwing up this thread.

In this case the romantic lead is running to try and catch up with the trolley and everyone is rooting for him so he can sit next to the lovely Judy who immediately breaks into song because, why not.    Whistling

What an amazing  talent she was....all 4' 11" of her.  


I thought the thread was about shopping trolleys and how people dump them inappropriately (that's a real thing over here).
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(10-11-2023, 07:02 PM)adey67 Wrote:
(10-11-2023, 03:38 PM)Dancefortwo Wrote: I'm sorry, but everytime I hear about a trolley I immediately think, "The Trolley Song"!  I apologize in advance for screwing up this thread.

In this case the romantic lead is running to try and catch up with the trolley and everyone is rooting for him so he can sit next to the lovely Judy who immediately breaks into song because, why not.    Whistling

What an amazing  talent she was....all 4' 11" of her.  


I thought the thread was about shopping trolleys and how people dump them inappropriately (that's a real thing over here).

There's never a pound coin in the dumped one's. I've checked.
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(10-11-2023, 06:41 PM)Jarsa Wrote:
(10-11-2023, 05:12 PM)brewerb Wrote: Diverting a train by pulling a rail switch is definitely different from pushing someone into the path of a train. Additionally, I'm not convinced a 'fat person' could stop a train anymore than skinny person, or a car.

It isn't really realistic as it's just a thought experiment.

Pulling the lever and pushing a person are not the same thing, but ultimately have the same result; you kill one person and save 5. What is different is that you take a more active role when you push the fat person. Morally the two situations are the same.

You should probably learn to recognize a pragmatist.
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(10-11-2023, 10:07 AM)no one Wrote: Just let them all die, and go through their pockets for loose change.

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Oh that's "the trolley problem". I learned it "train". Stop the train. Beyond stopping it, least lives lost. You can't predict the future of people.
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Hmm "unique views"? OK, superhero saves everyone. Those who pray least get saved. Tree falls on the track, stopping train. Lightning; how that helps, I'm not sure. Train runs out of fuel. 3rd rail switch (not shown) that avoids all. Football team pushes against train. F=MA fails temporarily. Horror movie guy cuts all the ropes.

Enough "unique views"? LOL!
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