Vive L' France

[Minimalist]

This will go over like a lead balloon.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66...gn=KARANGA

France to ban female students from wearing abayas in state schools

C'est la vie.

[Fireball]

In '82 I took a conversational French class in summer school to fulfil a uni language requirement. The prof told us that the principal religion in France was Islam, since the French were mostly atheists. Here we are almost 40 years later, and the Islamists are still bitching about their religion not getting the recognition they want. :world's smallest violin:

[pattylt]

This will go over like a lead balloon.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66...gn=KARANGA

France to ban female students from wearing abayas in state schools

C'est la vie.

I’m not sure I agree with this.  I understand the point but…are long skirts banned?  How about long dresses?  France seems so determined to remove any religious symbolism that it begins to look less like secularism and more like a mass conformity.

And, you know it will cause even more religious strife, not less.

[Minimalist]

since the French were mostly atheists. 

I find myself liking the French more and more.

[Fireball]

since the French were mostly atheists. 

I find myself liking the French more and more.

Another comment that he made was that marriage in a church had no official recognition. Anyone married in a church still had to go the the gov for the actual license to be considered married. I'm thinking that that behavior proceeds from the beheading era. All those Most Catholic Majesties losing their heads, and all. 

[airportkid]

Another comment that he made was that marriage in a church had no official recognition. Anyone married in a church still had to go the the gov for the actual license to be considered married.

That's the case in all 50 of the United States - a government agency issues the license.  A church official declaring a wedding couple "man and wife" is mere ceremony, legally; the gov't license is what gives the marriage its legal privileges.  And the wall of church-state separation prohibits a church official from acting as a gov't "deputy" to issue the license.

This might not be true in Utah, which is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Mormon Church.

Not sure how it works with ship captains, who are able to make marriages legal.  On a jet boat tour of the Rogue River in Oregon the captain announced his ability to marry passengers; I suppose operating a vessel for hire makes you a captain, even when the vessel is nothing more than a boat.

[Fireball]

Another comment that he made was that marriage in a church had no official recognition. Anyone married in a church still had to go the the gov for the actual license to be considered married.

That's the case in all 50 of the United States - a government agency issues the license.  A church official declaring a wedding couple "man and wife" is mere ceremony, legally; the gov't license is what gives the marriage its legal privileges.  And the wall of church-state separation prohibits a church official from acting as a gov't "deputy" to issue the license.

This might not be true in Utah, which is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Mormon Church.

Not sure how it works with ship captains, who are able to make marriages legal.  On a jet boat tour of the Rogue River in Oregon the captain announced his ability to marry passengers; I suppose operating a vessel for hire makes you a captain, even when the vessel is nothing more than a boat.

The difference is that the priest (in our case) was authorized by the state of California to perform a marriage. Says so right on the certificate, which even at the time I found amusing. If a couple marries in a church in France, it's meaningless until they go downtown to a civil clerk and do it again.

[Cavebear]

Another comment that he made was that marriage in a church had no official recognition. Anyone married in a church still had to go the the gov for the actual license to be considered married.

That's the case in all 50 of the United States - a government agency issues the license.  A church official declaring a wedding couple "man and wife" is mere ceremony, legally; the gov't license is what gives the marriage its legal privileges.  And the wall of church-state separation prohibits a church official from acting as a gov't "deputy" to issue the license.

This might not be true in Utah, which is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Mormon Church.

Not sure how it works with ship captains, who are able to make marriages legal.  On a jet boat tour of the Rogue River in Oregon the captain announced his ability to marry passengers; I suppose operating a vessel for hire makes you a captain, even when the vessel is nothing more than a boat.

Marriage is a legal agreement. You don't need a church to sanctify it. The civil register is all that is needed because all the laws regarding marriage, divorce, separation, etc, are secular. If some people want a religious ceremony, that is up to them, but it has no legal consequences. After a civil marriage, I (as an atheist) could equally conduct some sort of meaningful ceremony.

I sometimes wonder though. Are there many people "married" in a church that never actually did the legal civil procedure? They aren't really legally married, are they?

[WICharlie]

Funny story about that. Some 15 years after my hubby and I got married we needed to produce a wedding license for some sort of legal thing. We brought our paper along. The clerk looked at it and promptly told us that it was not a wedding license. It was the form we were supposed to turn in to GET our wedding license! We were dumbfounded. Then we joked for days about having not been married all those 15 years. We turned in the paper and received our REAL wedding license in about two weeks.

[Cavebear]

Funny story about that.  Some 15 years after my hubby and I got married we needed to produce a wedding license for some sort of legal thing.  We brought our paper along.  The clerk looked at it and promptly told us that it was not a wedding license.  It was the form we were supposed to turn in to GET our wedding license!  We were dumbfounded.  Then we joked for days about having not been married all those 15 years.  We turned in the paper and received our REAL wedding license in about two weeks.

Well, I'm glad you got the peperwork all straightened out. But actually, you weren't married for 15 years.

[Minimalist]

And if you filed your income tax claiming "Married" status techniocally that's tax fraud.

[Dancefortwo]

That's the case in all 50 of the United States - a government agency issues the license.  A church official declaring a wedding couple "man and wife" is mere ceremony, legally; the gov't license is what gives the marriage its legal privileges.  And the wall of church-state separation prohibits a church official from acting as a gov't "deputy" to issue the license.

This might not be true in Utah, which is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Mormon Church.

Not sure how it works with ship captains, who are able to make marriages legal.  On a jet boat tour of the Rogue River in Oregon the captain announced his ability to marry passengers; I suppose operating a vessel for hire makes you a captain, even when the vessel is nothing more than a boat.

Marriage is a legal agreement.  You don't need a church to sanctify it.  The civil register is all that is needed because all the laws regarding marriage, divorce, separation, etc, are secular.  If some people want a religious ceremony, that is up to them, but it has no legal consequences.  After a civil marriage, I (as an atheist) could equally conduct some sort of meaningful ceremony.

I sometimes wonder though.  Are there many people "married" in a church that never actually did the legal civil procedure?  They aren't really legally married, are they?

I can legally marry people.  I'm an official Dudist Priest.


https://dudeism.com/ordination/

I have a certificate and a card and everything.  I also got a little sticker for my car saying I'm a Dudist Priest. I married my transgender daughter to her siginificang other, who is also a transgender female.  

Take it easy, man.  The Dude abides.

[Bucky Ball]

They had no problem with these :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nun%27s_Story_(film)

[WICharlie]

My son argues that the license existed, but we just hadn't sent for it yet. Kinda like you paid off your car, but the title got delayed in the mail. Never got in any trouble. And my husband claimed it made things more exciting.

[Cavebear]

Marriage is a legal agreement.  You don't need a church to sanctify it.  The civil register is all that is needed because all the laws regarding marriage, divorce, separation, etc, are secular.  If some people want a religious ceremony, that is up to them, but it has no legal consequences.  After a civil marriage, I (as an atheist) could equally conduct some sort of meaningful ceremony.

I sometimes wonder though.  Are there many people "married" in a church that never actually did the legal civil procedure?  They aren't really legally married, are they?

I can legally marry people.  I'm an official Dudist Priest.


https://dudeism.com/ordination/

I have a certificate and a card and everything.  I also got a little sticker for my car saying I'm a Dudist Priest. I married my transgender daughter to her siginificang other, who is also a transgender female.  

Take it easy, man.  The Dude abides.

I am technically a Minister of the Universal Life Church (there being no expiration date). Got my card in college days to avoid the draft. I suppose that I still am, though I seem to have lost the card a few wallets ago. The only idea is "Do only that which is right.".