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11-11-2023, 04:57 AM
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(08-26-2023, 01:31 AM)Minimalist Wrote: Charlie thinks 1+1+1 = 1
Math is not his strong suit.
Sure, but a lot of people think that.
All these folks, for example.
Finite Simple Group (of Order Two)
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12-29-2023, 09:10 PM
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(11-04-2023, 01:14 AM)pythagorean Wrote: (08-18-2023, 10:41 PM)Charlie24 Wrote: NO, it's not a good thing, but necessary to accomplish the will of God.
Are you absolutely sure that you know the will of God?
Historically, there have been disagreements, you know.
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Hey guys I'm back!
Jesus said, it is the will of my Father that all be saved and that none should perish.
I have those same feelings myself.
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12-29-2023, 09:22 PM
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(12-29-2023, 09:10 PM)Charlie24 Wrote: (11-04-2023, 01:14 AM)pythagorean Wrote: Are you absolutely sure that you know the will of God?
Historically, there have been disagreements, you know.
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Hey guys I'm back!
Jesus said, it is the will of my Father that all be saved and that none should perish.
I have those same feelings myself.
Hey Charlie
How come Jesus lost faith in his father when he was nailed to a cross?
You'd think that Jesus would know exactly what dear old dad was thinking... Unless of course it's all bullshit.
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12-29-2023, 09:59 PM
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(12-29-2023, 09:22 PM)SeaPigeon Wrote: (12-29-2023, 09:10 PM)Charlie24 Wrote: Hey guys I'm back!
Jesus said, it is the will of my Father that all be saved and that none should perish.
I have those same feelings myself.
Hey Charlie
How come Jesus lost faith in his father when he was nailed to a cross?
You'd think that Jesus would know exactly what dear old dad was thinking... Unless of course it's all bullshit.
Before man was created, the Father knew that man with free will would choose to sin, and so he did, Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden.
So the Godhead, which consists of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit decided that man was worth saving, but a Redeemer must be provided for man to be saved from his sin. That redeemer is Jesus Christ.
He was sent for one reason, to redeem man from his sin. He would be the sacrifice for all of mankind, for those who would believe. He paid mans sin debt to the Father for all who would believe He is the Saviour of the world.
His destination was the Cross of Calvary for this purpose. While He was on the Cross the Father couldn't bear what He was seeing, though He had planned from it from the beginning. He turned His face from His Son on the cross bearing the sin penalty for mankind, and when Christ seen it, He cried out, "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me."
The Father had been with Christ from His birth, and now He turns His face from Him in sorrow. He had the power to come down off that Cross, or to not have allowed it to happen. But if He would have done that, man was doomed with no way back to relationship with the Father.
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12-29-2023, 10:11 PM
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(12-29-2023, 09:59 PM)Charlie24 Wrote: (12-29-2023, 09:22 PM)SeaPigeon Wrote: Hey Charlie
How come Jesus lost faith in his father when he was nailed to a cross?
You'd think that Jesus would know exactly what dear old dad was thinking... Unless of course it's all bullshit.
Before man was created, the Father knew that man with free will would choose to sin, and so he did, Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden.
So the Godhead, which consists of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit decided that man was worth saving, but a Redeemer must be provided for man to be saved from his sin. That redeemer is Jesus Christ.
He was sent for one reason, to redeem man from his sin. He would be the sacrifice for all of mankind, for those who would believe. He paid mans sin debt to the Father for all who would believe He is the Saviour of the world.
His destination was the Cross of Calvary for this purpose. While He was on the Cross the Father couldn't bear what He was seeing, though He had planned from it from the beginning. He turned His face from His Son on the cross bearing the sin penalty for mankind, and when Christ seen it, He cried out, "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me."
The Father had been with Christ from His birth, and now He turns His face from Him in sorrow. He had the power to come down off that Cross, or to not have allowed it to happen. But if He would have done that, man was doomed with no way back to relationship with the Father.
This all goes back to the most famous Scripture verse in the Bible.
John 3:16
" For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
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12-29-2023, 10:23 PM
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12-29-2023, 11:22 PM
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Hey Charlie, I may have missed if you stated what church you attend…May I ask again, which one?
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12-29-2023, 11:41 PM
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(12-29-2023, 11:22 PM)pattylt Wrote: Hey Charlie, I may have missed if you stated what church you attend…May I ask again, which one?
I never reveal that! It's just an open invitation to useless argument.
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12-29-2023, 11:53 PM
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(12-29-2023, 09:59 PM)Charlie24 Wrote: (12-29-2023, 09:22 PM)SeaPigeon Wrote: Hey Charlie
How come Jesus lost faith in his father when he was nailed to a cross?
You'd think that Jesus would know exactly what dear old dad was thinking... Unless of course it's all bullshit.
Before man was created, the Father knew that man with free will would choose to sin, and so he did, Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden.
So the Godhead, which consists of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit decided that man was worth saving, but a Redeemer must be provided for man to be saved from his sin. That redeemer is Jesus Christ.
He was sent for one reason, to redeem man from his sin. He would be the sacrifice for all of mankind, for those who would believe. He paid mans sin debt to the Father for all who would believe He is the Saviour of the world.
His destination was the Cross of Calvary for this purpose. While He was on the Cross the Father couldn't bear what He was seeing, though He had planned from it from the beginning. He turned His face from His Son on the cross bearing the sin penalty for mankind, and when Christ seen it, He cried out, "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me."
The Father had been with Christ from His birth, and now He turns His face from Him in sorrow. He had the power to come down off that Cross, or to not have allowed it to happen. But if He would have done that, man was doomed with no way back to relationship with the Father.
Why wasn’t jesus sent to save Adam and Eve?
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12-29-2023, 11:54 PM
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Quote:That redeemer is Jesus Christ.
Given the state of the world that makes your boy out to be the biggest fucking loser in history.
Robert G. Ingersoll : “No man with a sense of humor ever founded a religion.”
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12-29-2023, 11:55 PM
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(12-29-2023, 10:11 PM)Charlie24 Wrote: (12-29-2023, 09:59 PM)Charlie24 Wrote: Before man was created, the Father knew that man with free will would choose to sin, and so he did, Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden.
So the Godhead, which consists of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit decided that man was worth saving, but a Redeemer must be provided for man to be saved from his sin. That redeemer is Jesus Christ.
He was sent for one reason, to redeem man from his sin. He would be the sacrifice for all of mankind, for those who would believe. He paid mans sin debt to the Father for all who would believe He is the Saviour of the world.
His destination was the Cross of Calvary for this purpose. While He was on the Cross the Father couldn't bear what He was seeing, though He had planned from it from the beginning. He turned His face from His Son on the cross bearing the sin penalty for mankind, and when Christ seen it, He cried out, "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me."
The Father had been with Christ from His birth, and now He turns His face from Him in sorrow. He had the power to come down off that Cross, or to not have allowed it to happen. But if He would have done that, man was doomed with no way back to relationship with the Father.
This all goes back to the most famous Scripture verse in the Bible.
John 3:16
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
Mines better and it’s in the front of the owners manual.
Genesis 6:6
New International Version
6 The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.
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12-30-2023, 12:00 AM
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(12-29-2023, 11:53 PM)1Sam15 Wrote: (12-29-2023, 09:59 PM)Charlie24 Wrote: Before man was created, the Father knew that man with free will would choose to sin, and so he did, Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden.
So the Godhead, which consists of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit decided that man was worth saving, but a Redeemer must be provided for man to be saved from his sin. That redeemer is Jesus Christ.
He was sent for one reason, to redeem man from his sin. He would be the sacrifice for all of mankind, for those who would believe. He paid mans sin debt to the Father for all who would believe He is the Saviour of the world.
His destination was the Cross of Calvary for this purpose. While He was on the Cross the Father couldn't bear what He was seeing, though He had planned from it from the beginning. He turned His face from His Son on the cross bearing the sin penalty for mankind, and when Christ seen it, He cried out, "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me."
The Father had been with Christ from His birth, and now He turns His face from Him in sorrow. He had the power to come down off that Cross, or to not have allowed it to happen. But if He would have done that, man was doomed with no way back to relationship with the Father.
Why wasn’t jesus sent to save Adam and Eve?
The short answer is because the damage was done.
If you read Genesis 3, you will see all the curses that came upon man, animal life, vegetation, and even the ground itself when sin entered the world.
Immediately God set in motion His plan to redeem mankind by instituting the Sacrifice. This animal sacrifice represented the Lamb of God (Jesus Christ) who would be sacrificed at Calvary on behalf of mankind.
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12-30-2023, 12:02 AM
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(12-30-2023, 12:00 AM)Charlie24 Wrote: (12-29-2023, 11:53 PM)1Sam15 Wrote: Why wasn’t jesus sent to save Adam and Eve?
The short answer is because the damage was done.
If you read Genesis 3, you will see all the curses that came upon man, animal life, vegetation, and even the ground itself when sin entered the world.
Immediately God set in motion His plan to redeem mankind by instituting the Sacrifice. This animal sacrifice represented the Lamb of God (Jesus Christ) who would be sacrificed at Calvary on behalf of mankind.
So to cut to the chase,
Your god created everything so it could have a kid and kill it, right?
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12-30-2023, 12:39 AM
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(12-30-2023, 12:02 AM)1Sam15 Wrote: (12-30-2023, 12:00 AM)Charlie24 Wrote: The short answer is because the damage was done.
If you read Genesis 3, you will see all the curses that came upon man, animal life, vegetation, and even the ground itself when sin entered the world.
Immediately God set in motion His plan to redeem mankind by instituting the Sacrifice. This animal sacrifice represented the Lamb of God (Jesus Christ) who would be sacrificed at Calvary on behalf of mankind.
So to cut to the chase,
Your god created everything so it could have a kid and kill it, right?
I'm sorry you can't recognize the horrors of sin coming into this world through the will of man, and the pain that God endured to deliver us from it.
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12-30-2023, 12:54 AM
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(12-29-2023, 11:55 PM)1Sam15 Wrote: (12-29-2023, 10:11 PM)Charlie24 Wrote: This all goes back to the most famous Scripture verse in the Bible.
John 3:16
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
Mines better and it’s in the front of the owners manual.
Genesis 6:6
New International Version
6 The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.
A true reflection of what God created man to be and what he became of his own choosing.
If you read on you will see that God's perception of man was revived by a faithful, God believing man named Noah.
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12-30-2023, 01:15 AM
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Quote:The short answer is because the damage was done.
So how come your 'god' didn't know ahead of time what would happen? He really does come across as rather inept at this god game.
Robert G. Ingersoll : “No man with a sense of humor ever founded a religion.”
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12-30-2023, 01:19 AM
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(12-30-2023, 01:15 AM)Minimalist Wrote: Quote:The short answer is because the damage was done.
So how come your 'god' didn't know ahead of time what would happen? He really does come across as rather inept at this god game.
That's a good question! This is where God-given free will comes to light.
Of course, God did know, but because He didn't want a herd of robots to follow Him, He gave man free will to choose for Himself.
God want man to follow and love Him of his own free will!
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12-30-2023, 01:35 AM
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If godiboi is all knowing, then there is no such thing as freewill.
If godiboi doesn't know all that there is to know, how can you say for sure that it is actually the godiboi?
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12-30-2023, 01:39 AM
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(12-30-2023, 01:35 AM)no one Wrote: If godiboi is all knowing, then there is no such thing as freewill.
If godiboi doesn't know all that there is to know, how can you say for sure that it is actually the godiboi?
Scriptural free will gives man the choice to believe God or not to believe God.
It's totally up to you. God provides all that you need to believe when you hear His Word, and then the ball is all yours.
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12-30-2023, 01:44 AM
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(12-29-2023, 10:11 PM)Charlie24 Wrote: This all goes back to the most famous Scripture verse in the Bible.
John 3:16
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
Charlie, I despise John 3:16 with the fire of a billion supernovas.
Putting aside for the moment the fact that I think eternal life is a ridiculous concept, I have no interest whatsoever in eternal life. None. Zero. I certainly have no interest in spending eternity in either of the afterlife realms controlled by your imaginary friend - just two different kinds of never-ending pain.
I also think that the idea of a god sacrificing one individual for the alleged crimes of someone else is an irredeemable moral failure on the part of the god, and I reject "salvation" unconditionally. (commits Unforgivable Sin with malice of forethought and an evil grin)
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12-30-2023, 01:50 AM
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(12-30-2023, 01:44 AM)Astreja Wrote: (12-29-2023, 10:11 PM)Charlie24 Wrote: This all goes back to the most famous Scripture verse in the Bible.
John 3:16
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
Charlie, I despise John 3:16 with the fire of a billion supernovas.
Putting aside for the moment the fact that I think eternal life is a ridiculous concept, I have no interest whatsoever in eternal life. None. Zero. I certainly have no interest in spending eternity in either of the afterlife realms controlled by your imaginary friend - just two different kinds of never-ending pain.
I also think that the idea of a god sacrificing one individual for the alleged crimes of someone else is an irredeemable moral failure on the part of the god, and I reject "salvation" unconditionally. (commits Unforgivable Sin with malice of forethought and an evil grin)
In the Gospels, Jesus respected the unbelief of man and walked away. I too, respect your beliefs.
The reason Christ spoke in parables was to separate the believers from the unbelievers.
Therefore, between me and you is the Sword. It's just the way God takes care of business.
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12-30-2023, 01:58 AM
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The reason Christ spoke in parables is because that was part of the con.
Mountain-high though the difficulties appear, terrible and gloomy though all things seem, they are but Mâyâ.
Fear not — it is banished. Crush it, and it vanishes. Stamp upon it, and it dies.
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12-30-2023, 02:03 AM
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(12-30-2023, 01:58 AM)Dānu Wrote: The reason Christ spoke in parables is because that was part of the con.
That would be the effect left on the unbelieving side.
No man can understand who Christ is unless it is revealed to him by the Spirit of God (the Holy Spirit).
So it stands to reason you can't understand the parables because they are spiritual.
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12-30-2023, 02:06 AM
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(12-30-2023, 02:03 AM)Charlie24 Wrote: (12-30-2023, 01:58 AM)Dānu Wrote: The reason Christ spoke in parables is because that was part of the con.
That would be the effect left on the unbelieving side.
No man can understand who Christ is unless it is revealed to him by the Spirit of God (the Holy Spirit).
So it stands to reason you can't understand the parables because they are spiritual.
My explanation is orders of magnitude more parsimonious. And more believable. History has seen gods come and go, but the confidence trickster is always here.
Mountain-high though the difficulties appear, terrible and gloomy though all things seem, they are but Mâyâ.
Fear not — it is banished. Crush it, and it vanishes. Stamp upon it, and it dies.
Vivekananda
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12-30-2023, 02:19 AM
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(12-30-2023, 02:06 AM)Dānu Wrote: (12-30-2023, 02:03 AM)Charlie24 Wrote: That would be the effect left on the unbelieving side.
No man can understand who Christ is unless it is revealed to him by the Spirit of God (the Holy Spirit).
So it stands to reason you can't understand the parables because they are spiritual.
My explanation is orders of magnitude more parsimonious. And more believable. History has seen gods come and go, but the confidence trickster is always here.
I believe in The Creator who brought me into this world for a reason.
I am learning that my way doesn't work, but His does.
It's a very hard thing for mortal man to give up his ways for The Way.
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