The Muslims Won't Like This!

[Minimalist]

A short essay on the origins of the koran.

(10) Islamic Origins: Anti-Theopaschism and Trisagion in the Near East in the early 600s | Peter von Sivers - Academia.edu

The tentative conclusion in this essay would then be that the Qur’ān originated not merely in a late Antique polemical context but furthermore adopted a carefully redacted version of the passion of Jesus in opposition to Monophysitic and Chalcedonian Christianity. It emerged in an era when Christology was embroiled in implacable polemics, anti-theopaschism was rampant in Jerusalem, and the legitimacy of theopaschite Chalcedonianism was compromised by the eschatological Perso-Roman war.

Translation - Islam emerged from often violent battles between various xtian heresies and the official doctrine of the Byzantine empire against the backdrop of the near constant warfare between Byzantine and Persian forces in the 6th century.  Scholars are investigating this period even if the muslims lose their fucking minds whenever their bullshit is questioned!

[abaris]

I don't find that very surprising. Christianity is obviously a jewish spinoff and Islam a christian spinoff. The Arabic peninsula, the birthplace of Islam, was still largely pagan, far as I know.

[Minimalist]

Yes....remember the passage in the Doctrina Jacobi, written before 640

"When the candidatus was killed by the Saracens, I was at Caesarea and I set off by boat to Sykamina. People were saying “the candidatus has been killed,” and we Jews were overjoyed. And they were saying that the prophet had appeared, coming with the Saracens, and that he was proclaiming the advent of the anointed one, the Christ who was to come. "


The reference to the death of the candidatus (Sergius) at the Battle of Dathin in February, 634 gives a terminus a quo, (the earliest possible date) for the Doctrina.  It had to have been written after Dathin in 634.   Since the whole point of the Doctrina Jacobi was an anti-jewish diatribe after Emperor Heraclitus had ordered the forcible conversion of jews to xtianity when he recaptured the city from the Persians c 630 we can reasonably assign a terminus a quem (the latest possible date) for it to the Arab conquest of 636-7.
After that, no one gave a shit about the jews.

But the big thing about the Doctrina Jacobi is that it is not about the invading Arab armies...it was about the jews.  The reference to the prophet among the Saracens was just a throwaway line indicating what people at the time thought was going on.

BTW, in muslim orthodoxy, Mohammed had been dead for two years prior to the Battle of Dathin so something does not add up.  And the PBUH crowd tends to lose their shit over any suggestion that their bullshit is just bullshit.