Muslims going ape shit in Sweden

[Thumpalumpacus]

A buncha Muslims going apeshit.  Unless you think the people freaking out about burning Qurans are Mormons.

I don't know, because the article you linked didn't mention Muslims, so that seems like an assumption of yours, which to be frank I don't trust.

[Minimalist]

In Iran, dozens of students gathered Monday at Sweden's embassy to protest Paludan's planned Quran burnings. Chanting "Insulters of Quran must be condemned!" they also repeated traditional slogans such as "Death to America!" and "Death to Israel!"

They don't sound Swiss to me.

[jerry mcmasters]

I don't know, because the article you linked didn't mention Muslims, so that seems like an assumption of yours, which to be frank I don't trust.

You're right.  It was probably the Seventh Day Adventists.

[Thumpalumpacus]

You're right.  It was probably the Seventh Day Adventists.

That whoosh ...

[jerry mcmasters]

That whoosh ...

The same sound we usually hear when the wind blows through your empty head.  Could you speak clearly and explain yourself?

[Thumpalumpacus]

The same sound we usually hear when the wind blows through your empty head.  Could you speak clearly and explain yourself?

I've mentioned your assumptions not being supported by the article you linked several times now. I'm not sure how much more help you need.

[jerry mcmasters]

I've mentioned your assumptions not being supported by the article you linked several times now. I'm not sure how much more help you need.

How much help do you need comprehending who riots when the qurans are burned or threatened to be burned.  Stop trolling.

[Thumpalumpacus]

How much help do you need comprehending who riots when the qurans are burned or threatened to be burned.  Stop trolling.

You've got a link to support this, I'm sure. Put up or shut up already. Justify your own thread title. You're the only one who has mentioned Muslims; own it.

[jerry mcmasters]

You've got a link to support this, I'm sure. Put up or shut up already. Justify your own thread title. You're the only one who has mentioned Muslims; own it.

You know which religion riots when qurans are burned.  I will not give in to a troll.

[Thumpalumpacus]

You know which religion riots when qurans are burned.  I will not give in to a troll.

What if there's non-religious folk using these riots as cover? You know, just like looters took advantage of peaceful demonstrations after George Floyd's murder. That shit, too, was politicized. So when you write something like "Muslims going ape shit" I don't think it's as simple as your assumption paints it. I get it, you don't like thinking too much, and I'm sorry I'm asking that of you when you're clearly unhappy doing so; so I'll leave it off. But before I do, here's an excerpt from a BBC article on it:

On Monday, police said 26 police officers and 14 members of the public had been injured in the violence and that more than 20 vehicles had been damaged or destroyed.

They said that around 200 people had been involved in the violence, adding they believed it was organised by networks of criminal gangs. Some of the individuals are already known to police and Sweden's security service, Sapo.

Sunday's violence in Norrkoping came after Rasmus Paludan said he planned to hold a rally there. However, he never showed up in the city.

In a statement posted by his far-right, anti-immigrant Stram Kurs (Hard Line) party, Paludan said he cancelled the rally because Swedish authorities had "shown that they are completely incapable of protecting themselves and me".

He had earlier appeared on Thursday in the central city of Jonkoping, but as he talked into a megaphone while holding a Quran, his words were drowned out by a priest ringing the bells of a local church in protest.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61134734

Gee, that priest had to be a secret Muslim to protest anti-immigrant bigotry, am I right?

So yeah, back to your simplistic little world-picture. Did you get those new crayons yet?

[Reltzik]

Went into something of a google dive on this and a bunch of related articles (most of which seemed to be rephrasing the same few press releases and public statements).  They seem to paint a picture of protestors and counter-protestors -- the Koran-burning demonstrators, and crowds opposing that -- and little clarity about who was doing what beyond the fact that they were clashing and damage and injuries resulted.

The central figure on the Koran-burning side is a politician named Rasmus Paludun.  He's with a minor party trying to pick up enough steam to get national representation in Scandanavia.  Their platform is basically far-right anti-immigrant nationalism (except it seems like more of a regional nation of "northerners" than nationalism directed towards Sweden specifically) and anti-Islam as an aspect of that.  He's not opposed to Islam on principle, so much as he's opposed to Islam because that's the religion of those people and not the religion of my people.

Like I said, coverage isn't clear about who was doing what.  It's very easy to assume (and a reasonable assumption to make) that the core of the counterprotest was Muslims.  (Yes, this post is my speculation from here on out.)  Some of them, I'm sure, were enraged by the burning itself.  But I'm just as sure that many others would have turned out more to oppose his party's larger agenda and attitudes.  And while the core of the counterprotest would have been Muslim, I have a hard time imagining that there wouldn't have been a lot of others joining the counterprotest in support, on the grounds that this guy and his party are ... well, in the spirit of neutrality, let's just say "broadly perceived as unpleasant".  In other words, this sounds a lot like Unite the Right at Charlottesville.  We've got some extremist right-wing nationalist types who turn up ready for a fight and start grandstanding by doing and saying some very divisive, very provocative crap, and other people protesting the stuff they're saying and doing here specifically as well as their broader platform in general.  In a situation like that?  Coin flip odds there about which side threw the first punch.

Is the tendency within Islam for Koran burnings to meet a violent response a problem?  Yes.  Definitely.  But there's more to it than that.  It's a problem here, in this case, SPECIFICALLY because a provocateur is using that to bait a violent response from more extremist Muslims in order to portray all Muslim immigrants as violent extremists, while also painting the police as ineffective and unprepared to deal with Muslim violence.  (Obviously the fault of the politicians in power, and something his party will certainly get to fixing if elected.)  He's burning Korans BECAUSE enough Muslims respond violently to that for him to score PR points.  The violent responses of the past have led (indirectly) to more Koran burnings.

(EDIT: Also, I lost the link, but the head of Sweden's national police said there were some criminal groups -- I'm getting the sense of something in the vein of the Proud Boys from his comments -- doing unrelated violence under the cover of demonstration.)

[Alan V]

Pew Research Center has reported [March 2020] that Islam is the fastest-growing religious
group in the world compared to any other religious group. The research stated that in 2050
[Muslims] will comprise 30% of the world’s total population.

My guess is that Islamic apologists don't mind deliberately lying to people, for the greater good and all that.  

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Pew Research Center has reported [March 2020] that Islam is the fastest-growing religious
group in the world compared to any other religious group. The research stated that in 2050
Islamics will comprise 30% of the world’s total population.

         

I'll be 99 years old. Praise Allah.

[Bucky Ball]

I'll be 99 years old. Praise Allah.

Really ?
Did Pew say anything about whether this "fastest growing religious group"
would still be streaming OUT of their native cultures in vast numbers, to Western Christian and agnostic/atheist nations in 2050 ?
Will they still be beheading people ?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54598546

[jerry mcmasters]

What if there's non-religious folk using these riots as cover? You know, just like looters took advantage of peaceful demonstrations after George Floyd's murder. That shit, too, was politicized. So when you write something like "Muslims going ape shit" I don't think it's as simple as your assumption paints it. I get it, you don't like thinking too much, and I'm sorry I'm asking that of you when you're clearly unhappy doing so; so I'll leave it off. But before I do, here's an excerpt from a BBC article on it:


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61134734

Gee, that priest had to be a secret Muslim to protest anti-immigrant bigotry, am I right?

So yeah, back to your simplistic little world-picture. Did you get those new crayons yet?

Lol.  Sure, Thump, anything is possible.  No doubt it was "non-religious folk" using the riots as cover.  Stop eating those crayons.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Lol.  Sure, Thump, anything is possible.  No doubt it was "non-religious folk" using the riots as cover.  Stop eating those crayons.

Stop presenting your assumptions as facts while you refuse to support them.

ETA: I think I've made my point and won't do any more sniping.

[SYZ]

For fuck's sake guys...

Is there any particular reason why so many of these threads morph into
a Thumpalumpacous versus Jerry Mcmasters point-scoring battle?

Please get over it guys... or maybe get a room?     

[no one]

Would apes going muslim shit be any better?

[Minimalist]

Apes are too smart for that.

[no one]

ZING!

You, get a gold star.

[Thumpalumpacus]

For fuck's sake guys...

Is there any particular reason why so many of these threads morph into
a Thumpalumpacous versus Jerry Mcmasters point-scoring battle?

Please get over it guys... or maybe get a room?     

I wasn't trying to score any points. I was simply asking for him to support his assumption. That might not be something you're into, but I am. Anyhow:

ETA: I think I've made my point and won't do any more sniping.

Did you miss this part? Or did you feel compelled to chastise folks anyway?

[Minimalist]

Muslims having another hissy-fit because someone said something.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-61716241

India is in the midst of a diplomatic nightmare over controversial comments made by a senior official from the governing Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) about the Prophet Muhammad.

Nupur Sharma's remarks, made in a TV debate about 10 days ago, have incensed Indian Muslims and outraged more than a dozen Islamic nations.

I wonder what she said?

[Thumpalumpacus]

I wonder what she said?

I wondered that as well when the story broke, but looking around, I couldn't find any media outlet that actually quoted the "offending" statements.

[airportkid]

I wondered that as well when the story broke, but looking around, I couldn't find any media outlet that actually quoted the "offending" statements.

I searched just like everyone else, but repeating whatever the statements were is only gasoline on a fire and we really DON'T need to know what they were - the thing to know is that the Muslim community is absolutely irrational in this regard and has demonstrated that many times in the past.

To repeat what was said would be to do what Percie did with respect to Min - Percie posted Min's "racist" words more times than Min did, carrying on about it, in so doing committing the same offense but at a greater order of magnitude.  Min perhaps should not have said those words, but repeating them verbatim ad nauseum was MUCH worse.

So, too, whatever the hyper-sensitive Muslims are reacting to need not be repeated - it's enough to know that a group of witless fanatics got offended enough to call for murder, which, in a sane world, would get THEM arrested for being threatening, but sanity has always been the rarest of rare elements on this planet.

[Minimalist]

I wonder what she said?

I wondered that as well when the story broke, but looking around, I couldn't find any media outlet that actually quoted the "offending" statements.

The BBC specifically said they would not quote it because it was so offensive.  Poor babies.  Life is so hard on them and their fucking pedo-prophet!