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US Presidential elections 2024
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US Presidential elections 2024
I do find it interesting how people accuse me of being obsessed by Trump, yet I see there's 546 pages in the topical thread which I haven't posted in (and don't intend to). My interests are primarily in the electoral process and systems, and so there's really no point in saying anything about Trump until the Midterms have been held as that's when the primary process will begin, although Trump is doing exactly what I said he would be doing and that's non-stop campaigning from the day he was kicked out of office until Election Day 2024. So he is well and truly on his pathway to re-election. I reckon the only thing that will stop Trump running in 2024 is if he either dies or has some other serious health issue take him out (or if he gets convicted of something).

The real unknown at the moment is whether Biden will stand for re-election. Trump filed his re-election form with the FEC for the 2020 on the day he was inaugurated in 2017. To be fair, that's highly unusual and narcissistic, so you can't read anything into the fact that Biden hasn't filed for re-election yet, however it goes to illustrate the point that there is no question that Trump is running in 2024. He can barely contain himself from announcing it now, he's regularly holding mega rallies that are effectively 2024 campaign rallies. C-Span is already reporting them as 2024 campaign rallies. So while I note Trump is campaigning already, I'm not too interested in the 2024 presidential candidates until we get to late 2023 and I'm certainly not interested enough in Trump to closely follow what he's doing in the meantime. Remember the 2024 election won't be about Trump, it'll be a referendum on the Biden-Harris administration.

Biden and the Democratic party face a zugzwang and they really need to make a decision about their dilemma the moment the 2022 Midterms have been held if they want to have any chance of re-election in 2024. And I don't mean up against Trump, I mean up against any generic Republican presidential candidate. A party in power rarely wins an election if a sitting President isn't running. Biden, despite what many here will argue, would have lost in 2020 if not for the Covid-19 pandemic and Trump's eccentric and erratic behaviour. Well that combined with an exceptionally strong anti-Trump media. Take note that Biden certainly hasn't solved the pandemic like he promised he would in his campaign, in fact there have been more deaths from Covid-19 to this point in October in 2021 than there were last year in 2020. With the vaccination rate so low in America the pandemic is going to carry on well into 2022 and, as a result, the Democrats will get hammered in the Midterms.

Let me be clear, I don't think old Sleepy Joe intends on running in 2024. We get the entertainment of two primary contests at the same time if he doesn't, and who can't be happy with that? Well here's the issue, at least for the Democrats. If Cunt has not fallen off a cliff he will breeze through the Republican primaries almost like he's still a sitting president. It'll be entertaining to watch, but it won't be a contest. If they really want to have a serious competitor they need to select one well before 2024. Hold the primaries in 2023.

Say what you will about the presidential competitors, it's become quite clear to any neutral observer that the US Presidential Primary process rarely results in the selection of the best candidate for office. 2016 may be seen as an extreme example, lest we forget that the Democratic Primaries selected Crooked Hillary to be their candidate for president. The process is rife with corruption on both sides:



The process rarely results in the election of an upstanding citizen to the highest office. Obama was a rare exception, had he been allowed to run for a third term he would have easily beaten Donald J Cunt.

Even when it works better, it's still a lengthy exercise of self-harm each party inflicts upon themselves. The quirks of the system is really what allowed Donald J Cunt to win in 2016 - he was up against a crooked warmongering figure of the establishment who had been badly bruised in the Democratic primaries.

At this point if Biden was to stand in 2024, he would be favoured to win second place in the two-horse race. A lot will come down to whether the Dems lose the House or the Senate in the Midterms, and whether the Biden administration solves any of the crises that it is facing or effectively implements the agenda it was elected into office to deliver. Yes that means he absolutely needs both a major foreign policy success, and a major domestic policy success. Foreign policy will be difficult, because he already has a major failure with the Afghanistan withdrawal. Domestic policy is not going much better - his administration hasn't controlled the Covid-19 pandemic or provided effective leadership over it with a credible plan to bring the country out of the pandemic, he's facing a massive migration crisis, and the urgent police reforms promised to win over the black voters have yet to materialise. He has not shown himself to be collaborative, pragmatic, and flexible, the key qualities he possessed as a former lawmaker that was promised to the voters to heal divisions in both the Democratic party and the extremely partisan politics to bring people together and “heal the nation”. He's done nothing to further that, and he needed to start on day one it wouldn't really help him to start now.

He does not have a vaccine strategy, and that's very clear by the way. The Dan Andrew's government in Victoria is the same. Making vaccines mandatory for everyone (or incredibly large parts of your population) is what you do when you don't have a plan. Forcing people to take medical interventions against their will with the threat of losing their job is the most self-defeating policy there can possibly be. Remember, the Biden campaign squarely framed the Trump administration on being incompetent with the Covid-19 Pandemic. I pointed out before that Biden's promise that he made in one of the debates to “shut down the virus, not the economy” was stupid because he couldn't deliver upon it. Well so far we've seen neither consistent policy nor competent policy. Americans don't trust their regulator the FDA, that's one reason many of them don't want the vaccines, what exactly is the Biden administration doing to reform the FDA and increase public confidence in it? That's a real problem that needs to be addressed, we don't have the problem in Australia with our equivalent institution the TGA.

We have the same messaging problem here that we have in the US. For example, NSW is claiming vaccinated people can have greater freedoms (as is Biden). Really? Who's going to enforce that? I'll let you think about that for a moment, and while there are very different structures to policing and powers that police in America and Australia have, they do not have the right to require you disclose your private medical history to them. If a police officer asks you to show proof of vaccination, you have the right to say "I'm invoking my right to silence". Is the Biden administration planning to give police across the United States sweeping new powers - that'd be popular, wouldn't it?

Messaging matters. When you have poor public trust in the FDA, largely due to the perception that they're influenced by the drug companies in their decisions, what you don't do is announce that 3rd booster shots are going to be required for everybody and then jump the queue to get the very first one. The FDA had not made that decision (still hasn't - they've made it available only for 65+ and people with underlying health conditions) so where did Biden get that message from? He could only have got it from the drug companies. That makes him a mouthpiece for the drug companies, and puts pressure on the FDA to do what they're told to do rather than make an evidence-based decision. Oh and you certainly don't blame the unvaccinated for the pandemic continuing.

There's plenty of time for all of this to change of course. This is not an exercise of Biden-bashing, it's a quick and dirty snapshot of where his administration is 9 months in. Whether he likes it or not, his entire administration's performance is going to be framed within their pandemic policy to argue incompetency both next year in the midterms, and again in 2024. His presumptive 2024 competitor is holding regular campaign mega rallies now, if Biden really wants to compete he needs to adopt the same strategy - attract your supports, hold rallies, test your policy ideas on your supporters, and campaign non-stop until 2024.
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What makes you think anyone here is interested in your drivel?
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(10-17-2021, 06:04 AM)Deesse23 Wrote: What makes you think anyone here is interested in your drivel?

Exactly... I couldn't even be fucked reading it LOL.
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(10-17-2021, 06:04 AM)Deesse23 Wrote: What makes you think anyone here is interested in your drivel?

Nothing that's why I made a thread, so it can find its natural discussion parties.

I'll admit I gave a rather pessimistic assessment on the fitness of the Biden administration for 2024 re-election, but this is intentional to find interest. If there's no interest, there's no interest - I'm not sure why you bothered replying if you have no interest?

Be that as it may, another way to look at the Biden administration's current position is that they're well-placed for re-election in 2024:

1. They haven't lost the Midterms (yet anyway)
2. The pandemic will be an issue of the past in 2024 and Republican messaging won't change that
3. The administration is untainted by scandal unlike Cunt's
4. There's no civil unrest like the BML riots and the January 6 Capitol Riots which were inspired by Cunt

That's putting in the best possible light because the economy is still shit, the foreign policy is a mess (foreign military policy a complete failure re-Afghanistan), and election promises (which admittedly are not going to matter one jot) are being ignored. When I say election promises don't matter it does come with caveats and Biden's promise of police reform DOES matter and that will come back to bite him in the ass in 2024. That is a contract he made with people of slave-African decent in America, and they won't forgive him for breaking that promise.
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It's way too early for this, groundless speculations are not a good thing in my book.
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I didn't even read the OP. I saw the title and am echoing Dom: way too early.
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(10-17-2021, 12:22 PM)Dom Wrote: It's way too early for this, groundless speculations are not a good thing in my book.

You've missed the point of the thread entirely if you think it's about speculating.

What I am interested in is the process and what goes along with that. I well understand many other people aren't interested in it, but that is not about “speculating”.

I admit I could have been clearer in the OP about that as I went on at some length about the state of the core components which drive the vote.
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You chose to support your assertions with a video by a conspiracy theorist?
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It is far too early to make any suppositions about 2024, which strongly implies your opinions are uninformed as ever.

Having said that, let me express my gratitude to you for not shitting up the Trump thread. Keep up the great work on that!
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(10-17-2021, 06:04 AM)Deesse23 Wrote: What makes you think anyone here is interested in your drivel?

I have him on ignore for that reason.   Dance
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thanks all I have the OP on ignore but your replies will suffice.
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As is usual, Aractus's words belie what he later depends upon to mount a case.

Of the 2020 US election, he said in October of that year—in part—"I am predicting that Trump
is re-elected for a second term with 95% confidence."   [Z value = 1.96 and mean score = 0]

He also said at that time, "the first thing I’ll note is that, no, Trump is not a 'terrible' president"
and that "he has also handled himself well in office overall".  And, "I'm confident of a Trump victory,
I think he will probably win the popular vote and win the presidency in a landslide this November."

On that basis alone, it's safe to ignore any of Aractus's prognostications.     Deadpan Coffee Drinker
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Quote:WASHINGTON, April 2 (Reuters) - Former Arkansas Governor Asa Hutchinson announced his 2024 U.S. presidential candidacy on Sunday with a proclamation that set him apart from other current or potential Republican candidates: former President Donald Trump should step aside from the race.

In an interview with ABC's "This Week," Hutchinson urged Trump, who launched his candidacy in November, to drop out of the race after the former president's indictment on Thursday in New York following an investigation into hush money payments to a porn star.

"I mean, first of all, the office is more important than any individual person. And so for the sake of the office of the presidency, I do think that's too much of a sideshow and distraction and he needs to be able to concentrate on his due process and there is a presumption of innocence," Hutchinson said.

Hutchinson, who was governor of the southern state from 2015 until early this year after earlier serving in the U.S. House of Representatives, said he would make his formal announcement in Arkansas later this month but has decided to run.

"I have made a decision, and my decision is I'm going to run for president of the United States," Hutchinson said. "I'm convinced that people want leaders that appeal to the best of America, and not simply appeal to our worst instincts."

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/republi...023-04-02/

He's definitely a dark horse. I'll be surprised if he lasts past New Hampshire.
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Lemme guess another Aractus post where he has it all figured out?
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(10-17-2021, 03:24 AM)Aractus Wrote: I do find it interesting how people accuse me of being obsessed by Trump, yet I see there's 546 pages in the topical thread which I haven't posted in (and don't intend to). My interests are primarily in the electoral process and systems, and so there's really no point in saying anything about Trump until the Midterms have been held as that's when the primary process will begin, although Trump is doing exactly what I said he would be doing and that's non-stop campaigning from the day he was kicked out of office until Election Day 2024. So he is well and truly on his pathway to re-election. I reckon the only thing that will stop Trump running in 2024 is if he either dies or has some other serious health issue take him out (or if he gets convicted of something).

bla bla bla

Getting convicted is not going to stop him doing anything.
You did so well last time with your "analysis".
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Quote:Robert F. Kennedy Jr., the nephew of former President John F. Kennedy and a prominent anti-vaccine activist, announced on Wednesday that he would be running for president as a Democrat in 2024.

The news of Kennedy Jr.’s run for president was expected after filing paperwork to run for president earlier this month. He is the second Democrat to run for president in 2024; progressive Marianne Williamson formally launched her own bid last month.

President Biden is widely expected to run for a second term, though the timeline of a formal announcement remains unclear. He told NBC’s “Today” co-host Al Roker in an interview earlier this month “I plan on running, Al, but we’re not prepared to announce it yet.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/39...nst-biden/

Yeah, no. Haven't we had enough of scientifically-illiterate Presidents?
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There's a lot of scientifically-illiterate 'Murrikans running around - they are the asswipes in the stupid red hats - and I guess they need a spokesman, too.

It is hard to combat stupidity.  Way too many people find it very comfortable.
  • “The men the American people admire most extravagantly are the most daring liars; the men they detest most violently are those who try to tell them the truth.” ― H.L. Mencken, 1922
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Quote:The quirks of the system is really what allowed Donald J Cunt to ... bla bla bla

If you have plural subject, you need a plural verb.

Have you ever considered learning another word besides "cunt".
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(04-19-2023, 06:21 PM)Minimalist Wrote: There's a lot of scientifically-illiterate 'Murrikans running around - they are the asswipes in the stupid red hats - and I guess they need a spokesman, too.

It is hard to combat stupidity.  Way too many people find it very comfortable.

I agree too many "scientifically-illiterate" people are around. But they're not all 'Murrikans". Stupidity, faith, and anti-science are everywhere.
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The rest of the world will have to muddle on the best it can...... I only have enough emotional energy to worry about one country.
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Okay, so following Super Tuesday I think we're now at the point now where we can comfortably say the 2024 US Presidential Elections are between Biden and Trump.

So a lot has happened in the interim, but honestly much of it doesn't matter. Republicans held their presidential primaries - I've detailed before how the US presidential primary process is the most self-damaging and self-defeating thing imaginable in politics. Trump wisely skipped the debates entirely, so we have something we've never seen before in the history of US presidential elections, and that is that neither party's candidate was damaged in their primary debates. This usually is a huge advantage to an incumbent US President who's seeking a second term, I think we can say that Biden does not have this advantage this time around. He still has the advantage of incumbency though.

I'm not prepared to make any predictions at this point. I think things will become a lot clearer once Nikki Haley withdraws from the race and Trump becomes the Republican nominee.

Someone said to me recently how they're surprised that the US system can't offer up better candidates for President than Trump and Biden. I do agree, but replacing Biden would have been political suicide for the Democrats as he is the incumbent. Incumbency offers a huge advantage as the presidential elections are primary referenda on the current Presidential office. This is true for parliamentary elections too - they're primarily about the party( or coalition of parties in power), they're not primarily about the opposition and that's why negative campaigning by oppositions in particular is so effective.

As usual I'm not too interested in the US opinion polls. They're not very good, they are nowhere near the quality of Australian political opinion polling and this in part because of the very low voter turnout in US elections and the fact that elections are not held uniformly set by an independent non-partisan adjudicator. If you went off the opinion polls you'd call it now for Trump in a landslide. :p
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And on forecasting the result...

I got 2020 wrong. What we're seeing right now though is two European wars that the US is actively supporting and prolonging: Russia-Ukraine and Israel-Gaza. My feeling is that most Americans are brainwashed into thinking the US is doing the right thing in Ukraine. As for Israel, I'm not so sure. It's impossible to say right now because there may be a resolution well before November, however what it will do is dampen turnout for Biden if it's still ongoing at that time.
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(03-06-2024, 11:06 AM)Aractus Wrote: And on forecasting the result...

I got 2020 wrong. What we're seeing right now though is two European wars that the US is actively supporting and prolonging: Russia-Ukraine and Israel-Gaza. My feeling is that most Americans are brainwashed into thinking the US is doing the right thing in Ukraine. As for Israel, I'm not so sure. It's impossible to say right now because there may be a resolution well before November, however what it will do is dampen turnout for Biden if it's still ongoing at that time.
Israel is in Asia not Europe. It's a middle Eastern war.
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(03-06-2024, 11:06 AM)Aractus Wrote: And on forecasting the result...

I got 2020 wrong. What we're seeing right now though is two European wars that the US is actively supporting and prolonging
The US was also prolonging the european war of Germany and its allies vs GB and its allies.....and all Germany wanted back was german territory lost due to the Versailles treaty, at least that was the official talking point. Germany was FORCED (if you listen to Adolfs adresses shortly before and after September 1st) to invade Ukr erm Poland and then central Eu erm, France because it supported Ukr erm Poland.

If the USA only didnt meddle in other peoples affairs.
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Quote:Okay, so following Super Tuesday I think we're now at the point now where we can comfortably say the 2024 US Presidential Elections are between Biden and Trump.


We knew that long ago.  No democrat of any standing was going to challenge a sitting president and the Magatards are completely absorbed into their racist cult.
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