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Isnt Atheism borderline socialism?
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Isnt Atheism borderline socialism?
Name me last time you heard of a conservative Atheist. It however made somewhat sense in 1800s when it was added to criticize the flaws religious stuff could be in society. (But i love supression fetish to some level so i am weird that way?). But i do wonder if Atheism as a ideology, if that developed into socialism, interms of manipulative behavior etc?
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First of all, the word "atheist" isn't capitalized. That should be a hint right there.

If you Google the word, you find this definition: "a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods." Nothing about socialism.

So atheism is not a worldview which includes other beliefs or doctrines. It is a position on a single issue. Atheism is therefore not borderline socialism.

Why so many atheists are also liberals in America is a question for historians or sociologists.
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(07-11-2021, 05:53 PM)Alan V Wrote: First of all, the word "atheist" isn't capitalized.  That should be a hint right there.  

If you Google the word, you find this definition: "a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods."  Nothing about socialism.

So atheism is not a worldview which includes other beliefs or doctrines.  It is a position on a single issue.  Atheism is therefore not borderline socialism.

Why so many atheists are liberals in America is a question for historians.

But their lifestyle of manipulation culture do seem to be appealing to Socialism. Which in United States has been about looting and manipulation since 60s and 70s. Or if you look at the video by Thomas Sowell  called "Future of America" he described how Americans in 50s seemed to believe in traditional moral mindset of "Dont lie, dont steal." which changed in 60s and 70s when crime rose up. And then "Manipulation and looting" was more accepted morale behavior. And in the lead of that was socialists.
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(07-11-2021, 05:56 PM)seaside Wrote: But their lifestyle of manipulation culture do seem to be appealing to Socialism. Which in United States has been about looting and manipulation since 60s and 70s. Or if you look at the video by Thomas Sowell  called "Future of America" he described how Americans in 50s seemed to believe in traditional moral mindset of "Dont lie, dont steal." which changed in 60s and 70s when crime rose up. And then "Manipulation and looting" was more accepted morale behavior. And in the lead of that was socialists.

You are nuts.  hobo
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(07-11-2021, 05:44 PM)seaside Wrote: Name me last time you heard of a conservative Atheist. It however made somewhat sense in 1800s when it was added to criticize the flaws religious stuff could be in society. (But i love supression fetish to some level so i am weird that way?). But i do wonder if that developed into socialism, interms of manipulative behavior etc?

Most really thoughtful people, liberals or conservatives, are probably atheists in their thoughts, but don't dare admit it.

https://bigthink.com/21st-century-spirit...in-america

Joke: A Christian, a Jew, and a Moslem are locked in a room with knives as weapons, They circle each other, looking for an attack. Suddenly, an atheist is pushed into the room. The others all immediately stand side by side saying "Kill The Infidel"...

I hope I live to see the day when an acknowledged atheist is elected to office... But I doubt I will.
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Where do you get you mind altering substances?

They must be primo shit. I'm talking top tier quality here.
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(07-11-2021, 06:00 PM)Cavebear Wrote:
(07-11-2021, 05:44 PM)seaside Wrote: Name me last time you heard of a conservative Atheist. It however made somewhat sense in 1800s when it was added to criticize the flaws religious stuff could be in society. (But i love supression fetish to some level so i am weird that way?). But i do wonder if that developed into socialism, interms of manipulative behavior etc?

Most really thoughtful people, liberals or conservatives, are probably atheists in their thoughts, but don't dare admit it.

https://bigthink.com/21st-century-spirit...in-america

Joke:  A Christian, a Jew, and a Moslem are locked in a room with knives as weapons,  They circle each other, looking for an attack.  Suddenly, an atheist is pushed into the room.  The others all immediately stand side by side saying "Kill The Infidel"...

I hope I live to see the day when an acknowledged atheist is elected to office...  But I doubt I will.

Why does it matter if an Atheist gets into office? Problem with Americans is identity politics is so lame. Cant you be like? Hey lets get a guy who can help Americans? No matter what background. Probably only bad thing is devotion culture like Sunni Islam and Catholicism "Since devotion culture isnt good at work ethics" but outside that.
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Isnt Atheism borderline socialism?
I don't know about socialism per se, but it seems natural that there be some link between atheism and progressivism in whatever form that takes. Religion being the ultimate "Honorable Old Thing" everybody is supposed to respect, to throw that off seems to indicate a willingness to not just trust the (conservative) wisdom of the "good old days." Society can be perfected, new innovative policies are needed, impatience with "same old same old," that kind of thing, seem to align with atheism.

That said, there doesn't have to be any connection with atheism and any other belief. Just a good old non-belief in magic.
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(07-11-2021, 06:04 PM)jerry mcmasters Wrote: I don't know about socialism per se, but it seems natural that there be some link between atheism and progressivism in whatever form that takes.  Religion being the ultimate "Honorable Old Thing" everybody is supposed to respect, to throw that off seems to indicate a willingness to not just trust the (conservative) wisdom of the "good old days."  Society can be perfected, new innovative policies are needed, impatience with "same old same old," that kind of thing, seem to align with atheism.  

That said, there doesn't have to be any connection with atheism and any other belief.  Just a good old non-belief in magic.

Thing is. Intellectuals arent always right. Example

Intellectuals thought communism was a good idea... before famine hit but yeah. One guy taking complete control. Couldnt possibly go wrong

Then you have Eugenics which was supported by Progressives of America in late 1800s... we all know how that turned out.

And then Doctor said AIDS will get infected by physical contact, before other researchers called that bluff by saying its not how it works like.

So to blindly trust authority figures i always found lame if it doesnt add up.
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(07-11-2021, 06:04 PM)seaside Wrote:
(07-11-2021, 06:00 PM)Cavebear Wrote:
(07-11-2021, 05:44 PM)seaside Wrote: Name me last time you heard of a conservative Atheist. It however made somewhat sense in 1800s when it was added to criticize the flaws religious stuff could be in society. (But i love supression fetish to some level so i am weird that way?). But i do wonder if that developed into socialism, interms of manipulative behavior etc?

Most really thoughtful people, liberals or conservatives, are probably atheists in their thoughts, but don't dare admit it.

https://bigthink.com/21st-century-spirit...in-america

Joke:  A Christian, a Jew, and a Moslem are locked in a room with knives as weapons,  They circle each other, looking for an attack.  Suddenly, an atheist is pushed into the room.  The others all immediately stand side by side saying "Kill The Infidel"...

I hope I live to see the day when an acknowledged atheist is elected to office...  But I doubt I will.

Why does it matter if an Atheist gets into office? Problem with Americans is identity politics is so lame. Cant you be like? Hey lets get a guy who can help Americans? No matter what background. Probably only bad thing is devotion culture like Sunni Islam and Catholicism "Since devotion culture isnt good at work ethics" but outside that.

For the same reason it matters that a Black American, or a Hindu, or a Hispanic, or an Asian gets into office. I hope I don't have to actually explain that. I will, and at great length, if you admit you need that level of education...
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(07-11-2021, 06:11 PM)Cavebear Wrote:
(07-11-2021, 06:04 PM)seaside Wrote:
(07-11-2021, 06:00 PM)Cavebear Wrote: Most really thoughtful people, liberals or conservatives, are probably atheists in their thoughts, but don't dare admit it.

https://bigthink.com/21st-century-spirit...in-america

Joke:  A Christian, a Jew, and a Moslem are locked in a room with knives as weapons,  They circle each other, looking for an attack.  Suddenly, an atheist is pushed into the room.  The others all immediately stand side by side saying "Kill The Infidel"...

I hope I live to see the day when an acknowledged atheist is elected to office...  But I doubt I will.

Why does it matter if an Atheist gets into office? Problem with Americans is identity politics is so lame. Cant you be like? Hey lets get a guy who can help Americans? No matter what background. Probably only bad thing is devotion culture like Sunni Islam and Catholicism "Since devotion culture isnt good at work ethics" but outside that.

For the same reason it matters that a Black American, or a Hindu, or a Hispanic, or an Asian gets into office.  I hope I don't have to actually explain that.  I will, and at great length, if you admit you need that level of education...

Yeah you get a puppet like Obama. Great job!. Living up the MLK quote there. Pretty sure 2015 mess happend because of 8 years of that guy, where racism for profit became way more alive during that time.
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(07-11-2021, 06:04 PM)jerry mcmasters Wrote: I don't know about socialism per se, but it seems natural that there be some link between atheism and progressivism in whatever form that takes.  Religion being the ultimate "Honorable Old Thing" everybody is supposed to respect, to throw that off seems to indicate a willingness to not just trust the (conservative) wisdom of the "good old days."  Society can be perfected, new innovative policies are needed, impatience with "same old same old," that kind of thing, seem to align with atheism.  

That said, there doesn't have to be any connection with atheism and any other belief.  Just a good old non-belief in magic.

There is no link between atheism and socialism one however can find such link between christianity and socialism*. Of course it depends on interpretation.

Socialists might have deemed religion unjust or whip in the hands of oppressors but such attitude is closer to anticlericalism or antitheism. Being opponent or religion is not the same as being atheist however. In any case there is nothing in atheism that requires one to be socialist or in socialism that requires one to be atheist.

Lastly I don't know if you were planning to mention Lenin but I will made first move here - marxism-leninism was just another religion. As always Rafał Imos "Faith of Soviet Man" and Yuri Slezkine "House of Government" are recommended lecture. 

*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_socialism You can also read Kołakowski "Main Currents of Marxism". He writes something on the subject in the first volume.
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(07-11-2021, 06:09 PM)seaside Wrote:
(07-11-2021, 06:04 PM)jerry mcmasters Wrote: I don't know about socialism per se, but it seems natural that there be some link between atheism and progressivism in whatever form that takes.  Religion being the ultimate "Honorable Old Thing" everybody is supposed to respect, to throw that off seems to indicate a willingness to not just trust the (conservative) wisdom of the "good old days."  Society can be perfected, new innovative policies are needed, impatience with "same old same old," that kind of thing, seem to align with atheism.  

That said, there doesn't have to be any connection with atheism and any other belief.  Just a good old non-belief in magic.

Thing is. Intellectuals arent always right. Example

Intellectuals thought communism was a good idea... before famine hit but yeah. One guy taking complete control. Couldnt possibly go wrong

Then you have Eugenics which was supported by Progressives of America in late 1800s... we all know how that turned out.

And then Doctor said AIDS will get infected by physical contact, before other researchers called that bluff by saying its not how it works like.

So to blindly trust authority figures i always found lame if it doesnt add up.

I didn't say intellectuals are always right, I'm just speculating that the inclination might be there, that is to say the personality type who questions religion would likely have the same personality type to question any and all traditional or "time-honored" or conservative positions.  Whether they then form good ideas and policies to replace things and actually improve society, that's another issue.
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(07-11-2021, 05:44 PM)seaside Wrote: Name me last time you heard of a conservative Atheist. It however made somewhat sense in 1800s when it was added to criticize the flaws religious stuff could be in society. (But i love supression fetish to some level so i am weird that way?). But i do wonder if Atheism as a ideology, if that developed into socialism, interms of manipulative behavior etc?

Out here in real life, I personally know an atheist Trump voter. It's faulty to conflate lack of belief in gods with a particular political ideology.

-Teresa
There is in the universe only one true divide, one real binary, life and death. Either you are living or you are not. Everything else is molten, malleable.

-Susan Faludi, In the Darkroom
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(07-11-2021, 06:13 PM)seaside Wrote:
(07-11-2021, 06:11 PM)Cavebear Wrote:
(07-11-2021, 06:04 PM)seaside Wrote: Why does it matter if an Atheist gets into office? Problem with Americans is identity politics is so lame. Cant you be like? Hey lets get a guy who can help Americans? No matter what background. Probably only bad thing is devotion culture like Sunni Islam and Catholicism "Since devotion culture isnt good at work ethics" but outside that.

For the same reason it matters that a Black American, or a Hindu, or a Hispanic, or an Asian gets into office.  I hope I don't have to actually explain that.  I will, and at great length, if you admit you need that level of education...

Yeah you get a puppet like Obama. Great job!. Living up the MLK quote there. Pretty sure 2015 mess happend because of 8 years of that guy, where racism for profit became way more alive during that time.

Sometimes, the only response to a hatred post is "WOW"! I keep forgetting there are such fools.

I'm never quite prepared for that sort of reply. You can't debate with a person so utterly racist and "ignorant" (and I use the term in its proper meaning) as that. I was hoping for a discussion, but obviously that isn't going to happen...
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(07-11-2021, 06:28 PM)Tres Leches Wrote:
(07-11-2021, 05:44 PM)seaside Wrote: Name me last time you heard of a conservative Atheist. It however made somewhat sense in 1800s when it was added to criticize the flaws religious stuff could be in society. (But i love supression fetish to some level so i am weird that way?). But i do wonder if Atheism as a ideology, if that developed into socialism, interms of manipulative behavior etc?

Out here in real life, I personally know an atheist Trump voter. It's faulty to conflate lack of belief in gods with a particular political ideology.

-Teresa

Think only outspoken Atheist that i know of that is a conservative is Carl Benjamin, also known as Sargon of Akkad or Lotus Eater on YouTube
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Quote:Why so many atheists are also liberals in America is a question for historians or sociologists.


Because we're smarter than religitards.
Robert G. Ingersoll : “No man with a sense of humor ever founded a religion.”
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(07-11-2021, 06:33 PM)Minimalist Wrote:
Quote:Why so many atheists are also liberals in America is a question for historians or sociologists.


Because we're smarter than religitards.

Or is it just revenge? The cycle that pounds your heart to make their fragile masculinity cry in favor of mangina powers and manipulative behavior? The political voting in USA is terrible no doubt about it, since you only have Extreme left and Extreme right. A two party system. This could be fixed if someone over there got off their ass and made "Labour Party (Social democracy)" not to be confused with socialism.

If they refuse? Then just protest by encouraging people to not vote. How i would do it.
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(07-11-2021, 06:31 PM)seaside Wrote:
(07-11-2021, 06:28 PM)Tres Leches Wrote:
(07-11-2021, 05:44 PM)seaside Wrote: Name me last time you heard of a conservative Atheist. It however made somewhat sense in 1800s when it was added to criticize the flaws religious stuff could be in society. (But i love supression fetish to some level so i am weird that way?). But i do wonder if Atheism as a ideology, if that developed into socialism, interms of manipulative behavior etc?

Out here in real life, I personally know an atheist Trump voter. It's faulty to conflate lack of belief in gods with a particular political ideology.

-Teresa

Think only outspoken Atheist that i know of that is a conservative is Carl Benjamin, also known as Sargon of Akkad or Lotus Eater on YouTube

What part of his thoughts do you consider "atheist"? I read about him on Wikipedia and didn't see any. Maybe I missed something.
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(07-11-2021, 06:38 PM)Cavebear Wrote:
(07-11-2021, 06:31 PM)seaside Wrote:
(07-11-2021, 06:28 PM)Tres Leches Wrote: Out here in real life, I personally know an atheist Trump voter. It's faulty to conflate lack of belief in gods with a particular political ideology.

-Teresa

Think only outspoken Atheist that i know of that is a conservative is Carl Benjamin, also known as Sargon of Akkad or Lotus Eater on YouTube

What part of his thoughts do you consider "atheist"?  I read about him on Wikipedia and didn't see any.  Maybe I missed something.

He has described himself as one. Saw one video of him on Joe Rogan on it
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(07-11-2021, 05:44 PM)seaside Wrote: Name me last time you heard of a conservative Atheist. It however made somewhat sense in 1800s when it was added to criticize the flaws religious stuff could be in society. (But i love supression fetish to some level so i am weird that way?). But i do wonder if Atheism as a ideology, if that developed into socialism, interms of manipulative behavior etc?

So much wrong here... so just to pick a few highlights...

Conservative atheist?  Ayn Rand.  I heard about her two days ago for the umpteenth time and I'm sick of it.

But when (American) conservativsm veered headlong into performative Christian nationalism in the late 70s/early 80s, of course it wasn't going to bring many atheists with it.  That doesn't mean that there aren't atheists that aren't economically or socially conservative... it just means that they don't check all the boxes on the new, revised list of what it means to be a conservative in America.

Also "not conservative" doesn't automatically imply socialist.  The two are far from strictly synonymous.

Also-also, socialism has more roots in Christianity than in atheism.

Also-also-also.... nope, I've wasted enough time on this already.  Come back when you actually know what you're talking about.  (And no, right-wing propaganda straw-men don't count as knowledge.)
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(07-11-2021, 05:44 PM)seaside Wrote: Name me last time you heard of a conservative Atheist. It however made somewhat sense in 1800s when it was added to criticize the flaws religious stuff could be in society. (But i love supression fetish to some level so i am weird that way?). But i do wonder if Atheism as a ideology, if that developed into socialism, interms of manipulative behavior etc?

Atheism is not an ideology.
Your dishonest presentation of crime rates is flat-out flase, and you purposely left out important facts.
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/a...and%201980.
Name your own famous atheists, lazy ass.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_atheists
https://harvardpolitics.com/conservative-atheists/

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(07-11-2021, 06:41 PM)seaside Wrote:
(07-11-2021, 06:38 PM)Cavebear Wrote:
(07-11-2021, 06:31 PM)seaside Wrote: Think only outspoken Atheist that i know of that is a conservative is Carl Benjamin, also known as Sargon of Akkad or Lotus Eater on YouTube

What part of his thoughts do you consider "atheist"?  I read about him on Wikipedia and didn't see any.  Maybe I missed something.

He has described himself as one. Saw one video of him on Joe Rogan on it

Give a link. I'm having trouble accepting your claim. And it is up to you to demonstrate your claim.
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(07-11-2021, 06:44 PM)Reltzik Wrote:
(07-11-2021, 05:44 PM)seaside Wrote: Name me last time you heard of a conservative Atheist. It however made somewhat sense in 1800s when it was added to criticize the flaws religious stuff could be in society. (But i love supression fetish to some level so i am weird that way?). But i do wonder if Atheism as a ideology, if that developed into socialism, interms of manipulative behavior etc?

So much wrong here... so just to pick a few highlights...

Conservative atheist?  Ayn Rand.  I heard about her two days ago for the umpteenth time and I'm sick of it.

But when (American) conservativsm veered headlong into performative Christian nationalism in the late 70s/early 80s, of course it wasn't going to bring many atheists with it.  That doesn't mean that there aren't atheists that aren't economically or socially conservative... it just means that they don't check all the boxes on the new, revised list of what it means to be a conservative in America.

Also "not conservative" doesn't automatically imply socialist.  The two are far from strictly synonymous.

Also-also, socialism has more roots in Christianity than in atheism.

Also-also-also.... nope, I've wasted enough time on this already.  Come back when you actually know what you're talking about.  (And no, right-wing propaganda straw-men don't count as knowledge.)

Saying Socialism has more root in Christianity is part of manipulation culture in USA. Just like John Lennon horrible song of Imagine is. Most boring low energy music i have heard. But i think there was a parable of workers in The New Testament, some got paid more, and others got paid less for the same work. They agreed to the trade so they work for that money. Thats not socialist as far as i know? Where they believe in equal outcome.
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(07-11-2021, 06:44 PM)Reltzik Wrote: Also "not conservative" doesn't automatically imply socialist.  The two are far from strictly synonymous.

This reminds me of when my wife's niece conflated the Democrats with socialists.  I had to remind her that the political spectrum was much wider than she assumed.

But she was just parroting something she heard.  That's typical of the lies spread by conservative commentators these days.  They repeatedly lie about their opponents, I guess because if they engaged in honest and fair debates they would lose.
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