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Cosmological argument.
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05-28-2021, 09:10 PM
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Cosmological argument. (05-28-2021, 05:05 AM)Astreja Wrote: ...or creating matter/energy from nothingness without energy already in existence. Why is this controversial? There's no religious overtones embedded in this idea. No modern atheist cosmologist is embarrassed to assert the plausibility of this ex nihilo concept. The magical, spontaneous appearance of matter/energy out of nowhere ceased being religious 'woo' at around the same time as we started using terms like 'singularity' and quantum vacuum and virtual particle. His Eminence Archbishop Lawrence Krauss has given his imprimatur for the universe coming from nothing. So has Monsignor Victor Stenger. The Venerable Cardinal James Hartle approves (nihil obstat) the doctrine that there was... literally a moment in the history of the universe prior to which there weren’t any other moments. There was a boundary of time (the Big Bang), prior to which there was … nothing. No stuff, not even a quantum wave function; there was no prior thing, because there is no sensible notion of “prior.” (05-28-2021, 09:10 PM)Lion IRC Wrote: No modern atheist cosmologist is embarrassed to assert the plausibility of this ex nihilo concept. No reputable modern cosmologist has claimed ex nihilo creation of energy or matter. The very idea would be a violation of the first law of thermodynamics. Of course, if you understood the science you're lamely trying to debunk, you'd fucking well know that.
05-28-2021, 09:43 PM
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Cosmological argument. (05-28-2021, 09:10 PM)Lion IRC Wrote: No modern atheist cosmologist is embarrassed to assert the plausibility of this ex nihilo concept. Nice try lair. You know damn well what you're trying to do. All this bullshit of "secular" arguments. Quote:His Eminence Archbishop Lawrence Krauss has given his imprimatur for the universe coming from nothing. So has Monsignor Victor Stenger. The Venerable Cardinal James Hartle approves (nihil obstat) the doctrine that there was... literally a moment in the history of the universe prior to which there weren’t any other moments. There was a boundary of time (the Big Bang), prior to which there was … nothing. No stuff, not even a quantum wave function; there was no prior thing, because there is no sensible notion of “prior.” You forgot a few things, ... fool. The references. You don't actually think anyone here buys anything you drop out of your ass, do you ? BTW, you're welcome for having set you stright about Vilenkin. You knew you were lying about him, didn't you ? Jebus no likey when you lie. It's makes him look weak. You're sounding mighty angry, cynical and pissed off, Leon. what ? You're pissed no one takes you seriously ?
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05-28-2021, 09:48 PM
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Cosmological argument.
Moi? Angry? Cynical? Pissed off?
LOL look whose talking. Praise Jebus. Fun fact. Jebus is the ancient name of the place which came to be known as Jerusalem. The Jebusites (/ˈdʒɛbjəˌsaɪts/; Hebrew: יְבוּסִי, Modern: Yevūsī, Tiberian: Yəḇūsī ISO 259-3 Ybusi) were, according to the books of Joshua and Samuel from the Hebrew Bible, a Canaanite tribe that inhabited Jerusalem, then called Jebus Praise Jebus indeed! (05-28-2021, 09:38 PM)TheGentlemanBastard Wrote:(05-28-2021, 09:10 PM)Lion IRC Wrote: No modern atheist cosmologist is embarrassed to assert the plausibility of this ex nihilo concept. LOL No true reputable Scotsman. (05-27-2021, 06:39 AM)Deesse23 Wrote:(05-22-2021, 09:45 PM)Lion IRC Wrote: 1. Whatever begins to exist/move has a cause of its existence/movement. (Secular) You down vote me and call me a troll then you proceed to feed the troll. Are you new to the internet? Enjoy the silence pal! (05-28-2021, 09:52 PM)Lion IRC Wrote:(05-28-2021, 09:38 PM)TheGentlemanBastard Wrote:(05-28-2021, 09:10 PM)Lion IRC Wrote: No modern atheist cosmologist is embarrassed to assert the plausibility of this ex nihilo concept. Give us an example, then. Surely, if there are reputable cosmologists out there making nihilo creation claims, you can provide examples.
05-28-2021, 10:04 PM
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Cosmological argument. (05-28-2021, 09:48 PM)Lion IRC Wrote: Moi? Angry? Cynical? Pissed off? Unfortunately for you, you're wrong yet again. Some person who writes sentimental drivel, wrote that, and you, ... stupidly, bought it. " The name Shalem/Salem (שלם šālêm) is found in the account of Melchizedek in Genesis 14:18: And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God (El Elyon). That the name Salem refers to Jerusalem is evidenced by Psalm 76:2 which uses "Salem" as a parallel for "Zion", the citadel of Jerusalem. The same identification is made by Josephus and the Aramaic translations of the Bible." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_J...El%20Elyon. Oh well. Leon is proved again to be an idiot.
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(05-28-2021, 10:01 PM)Lion IRC Wrote:(05-27-2021, 06:39 AM)Deesse23 Wrote:(05-22-2021, 09:45 PM)Lion IRC Wrote: 1. Whatever begins to exist/move has a cause of its existence/movement. (Secular) In other words, he has nothing to refute you. This evasive bulshit means he's got nothing.
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(05-28-2021, 10:12 PM)Lion IRC Wrote:(05-28-2021, 10:04 PM)TheGentlemanBastard Wrote:(05-28-2021, 10:01 PM)Lion IRC Wrote: Enjoy the silence pal! Such a drama queen.
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(05-28-2021, 10:12 PM)Lion IRC Wrote:(05-28-2021, 10:04 PM)TheGentlemanBastard Wrote:(05-28-2021, 10:01 PM)Lion IRC Wrote: Enjoy the silence pal! You're leaving? That's cool. We haven't had a good rage quit in a while. (05-28-2021, 03:47 PM)Deesse23 Wrote:Quote:The idea is that God exists in his own time.Based on what data? Don't you be disrespecting the universe creating pixies man otherwise they'll crawl up your arse and use their "special time" to give you gargantuan haemorrhoids, I've seen it happen bro, honest to god, those pixies can be real mean.
The whole point of having cake is to eat it
(05-28-2021, 12:42 AM)Dancefortwo Wrote:(05-27-2021, 06:11 PM)Percie Wrote:(05-27-2021, 06:06 PM)Astreja Wrote: We can't test for gods either. Stop trying to stuff one into the equation.
Robert G. Ingersoll : “No man with a sense of humor ever founded a religion.”
(05-28-2021, 10:36 PM)TheGentlemanBastard Wrote:(05-28-2021, 10:12 PM)Lion IRC Wrote:(05-28-2021, 10:04 PM)TheGentlemanBastard Wrote: We can only fucking wish! I don't think we've ever had a voluntary rage quit period bro.
The whole point of having cake is to eat it
05-28-2021, 11:46 PM
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Cosmological argument.
05-28-2021, 11:55 PM
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Cosmological argument.
Malaria kills one child every 30 seconds, about 3000 children every day. Over one million people die from malaria each year, mostly children under five years of age, with 90 per cent of malaria cases occurring in Sub-Saharan Africa. https://www.unicef.org/media/files/MALAR...AFRICA.pdf
Thank you Jebus.
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05-28-2021, 11:55 PM
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Cosmological argument.
Science https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_b...d_Nagasaki
Atheist, totalitarian, undemocratic states which manufactured/deployed weapons of mass destruction. China USSR North Korea Cambodia Vietnam
05-28-2021, 11:57 PM
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Cosmological argument.
Science - why hasn't malaria been defeated?
https://www.google.com/search?q=why+hasn...e&ie=UTF-8
In Princeton 75 years ago, Albert Einstein announced the formation of the Emergency Committee of Atomic Scientists to educate and mobilize other scientists and the public on the dangers to humanity of the nuclear weapons recently developed by the United States and used to destroy two Japanese cities. https://www.gilderlehrman.org/history-re...-race-1945
The decision to drop the bombs was made by men who claimed to be Christians. Truman's deeply held Christian faith, coupled with his old Army buddy and former partner in a haberdashery, Eddie Jacobson, who traveled to the White House to make the case for the Jewish state. Truman sent his telegram recognizing Israel 11 minutes after Ben-Gurion proclaimed the country's existence on May 14, 1948.
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(05-28-2021, 11:44 PM)adey67 Wrote:(05-28-2021, 10:36 PM)TheGentlemanBastard Wrote:(05-28-2021, 10:12 PM)Lion IRC Wrote: Your wish has been granted. It's just common courtesy to let someone know when you've decided to stop talking to them. (05-28-2021, 11:57 PM)Lion IRC Wrote: Science - why hasn't malaria been defeated? Ask your Jebus. He supposedly revealed all sorts of shit to humans.
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