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(04-03-2021, 03:49 AM)GenesisNemesis Wrote: Tucker Carlson Justifies the Idea of a Full-Blown Fascist Takeover
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/03/...t-takeover
Quote:For years, Tucker Carlson has used his Fox News program to flirt with fascist and white nationalist talking points. In 2018, the host described racial demographic changes in a Pennsylvania town as “more change than human beings are designed to digest” after noting that the area is majority Hispanic. He also accused immigrants of making the U.S. “dirtier,” “poorer,” and “more divided”; claimed that a “flood of illegal workers into the United States has damaged our communities, ruined our schools, burdened our health care system, and fractured our national unity”; and falsely asserted that the Potomac River is becoming “dirtier and dirtier” due to immigrants.
On Thursday night, Carlson took these arguments a step further by agreeing with a guest, Jesse Kelly, who confidently asserted that the U.S. will “pick a fascist [leader] within 10 to 20 years.” Kelly, whose past commentary on political violence has gained notoriety due to his fixating on the possibility of a second civil war, made the remark as the two discussed the Hunter Biden firearm debacle and accused Democratic leaders of getting away with a double standard in the legal system. “I think you make a really solid point about the sadness and the powerlessness that people feel in the face of this. And at some point people are going to say, ‘Why should I follow the rules? Why should I be a good citizen if they don’t have to follow the rules?’” Carlson said. “I mean, things kind of break down at some point, don’t they?”
“They will break down, they are breaking down, Tucker,” Kelly replied. “I have said this before, and I’m telling you I’m worried that I’m right, the right is going to pick a fascist within 10 to 20 years.” Carlson chimed in to say that Kelly’s prediction was “right,” before the guest added that the U.S. has “60, 70 million of us. We’re not a tiny minority, and if we’re going to be all treated like criminals and all subject to every single law, while antifa, Black Lives Matter guys go free and Hunter Biden goes free, then the right’s going to take drastic measures.”
One can quibble about the purity or maturity of Trump's fascism (or whether he was merely proto-fascist or fascistic) because technically he was ideologically empty and totally opportunistic. But as far as I'm concerned for practical purposes, the right has ALREADY picked a fascist leader in Trump.
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(04-03-2021, 10:36 AM)mordant Wrote: (04-03-2021, 03:49 AM)GenesisNemesis Wrote: Tucker Carlson Justifies the Idea of a Full-Blown Fascist Takeover
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/03/...t-takeover
Quote:For years, Tucker Carlson has used his Fox News program to flirt with fascist and white nationalist talking points. In 2018, the host described racial demographic changes in a Pennsylvania town as “more change than human beings are designed to digest” after noting that the area is majority Hispanic. He also accused immigrants of making the U.S. “dirtier,” “poorer,” and “more divided”; claimed that a “flood of illegal workers into the United States has damaged our communities, ruined our schools, burdened our health care system, and fractured our national unity”; and falsely asserted that the Potomac River is becoming “dirtier and dirtier” due to immigrants.
On Thursday night, Carlson took these arguments a step further by agreeing with a guest, Jesse Kelly, who confidently asserted that the U.S. will “pick a fascist [leader] within 10 to 20 years.” Kelly, whose past commentary on political violence has gained notoriety due to his fixating on the possibility of a second civil war, made the remark as the two discussed the Hunter Biden firearm debacle and accused Democratic leaders of getting away with a double standard in the legal system. “I think you make a really solid point about the sadness and the powerlessness that people feel in the face of this. And at some point people are going to say, ‘Why should I follow the rules? Why should I be a good citizen if they don’t have to follow the rules?’” Carlson said. “I mean, things kind of break down at some point, don’t they?”
“They will break down, they are breaking down, Tucker,” Kelly replied. “I have said this before, and I’m telling you I’m worried that I’m right, the right is going to pick a fascist within 10 to 20 years.” Carlson chimed in to say that Kelly’s prediction was “right,” before the guest added that the U.S. has “60, 70 million of us. We’re not a tiny minority, and if we’re going to be all treated like criminals and all subject to every single law, while antifa, Black Lives Matter guys go free and Hunter Biden goes free, then the right’s going to take drastic measures.”
One can quibble about the purity or maturity of Trump's fascism (or whether he was merely proto-fascist or fascistic) because technically he was ideologically empty and totally opportunistic. But as far as I'm concerned for practical purposes, the right has ALREADY picked a fascist leader in Trump.
Right, they are being unusually honest about specifically mentioning fascism itself, though. Usually they're more quiet than that.
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04-03-2021, 10:51 AM
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The Right is quickly approaching calling democracy itself fascist. "Fascism" to the Right means governance they disagree with, just as "activist" judiciary are courts that don't rule the way they would.
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(04-03-2021, 10:38 AM)GenesisNemesis Wrote: (04-03-2021, 10:36 AM)mordant Wrote: (04-03-2021, 03:49 AM)GenesisNemesis Wrote: Tucker Carlson Justifies the Idea of a Full-Blown Fascist Takeover
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/03/...t-takeover
One can quibble about the purity or maturity of Trump's fascism (or whether he was merely proto-fascist or fascistic) because technically he was ideologically empty and totally opportunistic. But as far as I'm concerned for practical purposes, the right has ALREADY picked a fascist leader in Trump.
Right, they are being unusually honest about specifically mentioning fascism itself, though. Usually they're more quiet than that.
When even a such cowardly trash as right wingers are starting to be honest about their fascist sympathies it's a worrying sign of things falling into the shitter.
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I've been saying for a while that Trump's supporters aren't going anywhere. Vigilance is the price of freedom.
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(04-03-2021, 11:58 AM)Szuchow Wrote: (04-03-2021, 10:38 AM)GenesisNemesis Wrote: (04-03-2021, 10:36 AM)mordant Wrote: One can quibble about the purity or maturity of Trump's fascism (or whether he was merely proto-fascist or fascistic) because technically he was ideologically empty and totally opportunistic. But as far as I'm concerned for practical purposes, the right has ALREADY picked a fascist leader in Trump.
Right, they are being unusually honest about specifically mentioning fascism itself, though. Usually they're more quiet than that.
When even a such cowardly trash as right wingers are starting to be honest about their fascist sympathies it's a worrying sign of things falling into the shitter.
You could say they are being rather fourth Reich about it.
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In passing, I note that most US states require a potential voter to nominate
their choice of political party (as per section 2 of the card). What's the reason
for this in the first place? And people could just fill in any old bullshit, or use
the 'not wish to enrol' option. An affiliation requirement like this is obviously
legally unenforceable, so why waste time asking the question? Who uses this
party affiliation response, and why?
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(04-03-2021, 01:19 PM)SYZ Wrote: In passing, I note that most US states require a potential voter to nominate
their choice of political party (as per section 2 of the card). What's the reason
for this in the first place? And people could just fill in any old bullshit, or use
the 'not wish to enrol' option. An affiliation requirement like this is obviously
legally unenforceable, so why waste time asking the question? Who uses this
party affiliation response, and why?
An answer is not required in order to register here in Texas, or in California. I've never been a registered voter in another state, so can't speak about their requirements. Clearly Maine requires it, but offers the "not wish" option.
I'd imagine the question is there because the political parties both want to know where their supporters are located, in order to ease their campaigning.
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(04-03-2021, 01:27 PM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: (04-03-2021, 01:19 PM)SYZ Wrote: In passing, I note that most US states require a potential voter to nominate
their choice of political party (as per section 2 of the card). What's the reason
for this in the first place? And people could just fill in any old bullshit, or use
the 'not wish to enrol' option. An affiliation requirement like this is obviously
legally unenforceable, so why waste time asking the question? Who uses this
party affiliation response, and why?
An answer is not required in order to register here in Texas, or in California. I've never been a registered voter in another state, so can't speak about their requirements. Clearly Maine requires it, but offers the "not wish" option.
I'd imagine the question is there because the political parties both want to know where their supporters are located, in order to ease their campaigning. In New York it's not required as such but you can only vote in a party primary election if you declare yourself "affiliated" with that party. In practice this means that all you're doing by declaring a party affiliation is choosing which party primary you will vote in. This might not matter to you (if, say, you refuse to ever vote either Democratic or Republican in primaries, or to vote in primaries at all). But what I advise people to do is to understand that this is not a party endorsement, simply a primary selector. If you want to vote, say, in the Democratic primary, "affiliate" with that party. And don't bother to switch it back to "none" or "independent" later. The selection has ZERO bearing on who you vote for in the general. The most you can say is that it might wrongly count toward some imagined REAL membership or affiliation with the party you select, in some survey somewhere.
This system is true in a number of states; it's called a "closed primary" as opposed to an "open primary". There's a movement to make all primaries open, which has met with at least some success. But New York is still a holdout.
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(04-03-2021, 01:44 PM)mordant Wrote: (04-03-2021, 01:27 PM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: (04-03-2021, 01:19 PM)SYZ Wrote: In passing, I note that most US states require a potential voter to nominate
their choice of political party (as per section 2 of the card). What's the reason
for this in the first place? And people could just fill in any old bullshit, or use
the 'not wish to enrol' option. An affiliation requirement like this is obviously
legally unenforceable, so why waste time asking the question? Who uses this
party affiliation response, and why?
An answer is not required in order to register here in Texas, or in California. I've never been a registered voter in another state, so can't speak about their requirements. Clearly Maine requires it, but offers the "not wish" option.
I'd imagine the question is there because the political parties both want to know where their supporters are located, in order to ease their campaigning. In New York it's not required as such but you can only vote in a party primary election if you declare yourself "affiliated" with that party. In practice this means that all you're doing by declaring a party affiliation is choosing which party primary you will vote in. This might not matter to you (if, say, you refuse to ever vote either Democratic or Republican in primaries, or to vote in primaries at all). But what I advise people to do is to understand that this is not a party endorsement, simply a primary selector. If you want to vote, say, in the Democratic primary, "affiliate" with that party. And don't bother to switch it back to "none" or "independent" later. The selection has ZERO bearing on who you vote for in the general. The most you can say is that it might wrongly count toward some imagined REAL membership or affiliation with the party you select, in some survey somewhere.
This system is true in a number of states; it's called a "closed primary" as opposed to an "open primary". There's a movement to make all primaries open, which has met with at least some success. But New York is still a holdout.
Good points, I'd forgotten to mention that aspect.
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(04-03-2021, 10:51 AM)airportkid Wrote: The Right is quickly approaching calling democracy itself fascist. "Fascism" to the Right means governance they disagree with, just as "activist" judiciary are courts that don't rule the way they would.
Mussolini invented Fascism. He and his co-founder of fascism, Giovanni Gentile laid it all out in a manifesto called "The Doctrine Of Fascism". This can be found on the internet and is an interesting read. We use the term Fascism, but if we read the defining document of Fascism, we can see that the present GOP pretty much deserves the label. Fascism is anti-liberal explicitly. And anti democracy. The Fascist anti-democracy movement is now alive and on the march with the GOP. Fascism is now here.
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White nationalist "groyper" movement links up with anti-vaxxers, threatens use of weapons
https://www.salon.com/2021/04/08/white-n...f-weapons/
Quote: Young white nationalist leader Nicholas Fuentes and his "groyper army" have joined forceswith the coronavirus anti-vaccine community, falsely claiming that COVID-19 vaccines were equivalent to "gene therapy" and attempting to frighten his youthful, largely male audience into believing the government will "own" you if you get the shot. In December, Fuentes said during a live stream that he would be willing to take up arms to ward off being injected with a COVID vaccine, Salon discovered.
Fuentes, who first gained prominence as a leading figure at the notorious 2017 Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, leads an "army" of college-aged young men who believe America should become an all-white or white-dominated "ethnostate." He recently held a conference to rival the more mainstream Conservative Political Action Committee (CPAC), and has heightened his profile and attracted followers by accusing marginally more mainstream pundits like Charlie Kirk and Ben Shapiro of not being true conservatives.
Responding to a "super chatter" (a follower who pays money to ask a question) on Tuesday night about whether or not to get the coronavirus vaccine, the 22-year-old Fuentes responded, "I just want to impress upon you the severity of the situation. You are talking about 'gene therapy' in your veins."
While this is a popular talking point on the far right, coronavirus vaccine do not genetically modify the bodies of humans who take the vaccine. A visiting fellow at Cornell University's Alliance for Science group, Mark Lynas, told Reuters that no vaccine would "genetically modify human DNA." "That's just a myth, one often spread intentionally by anti-vaccination activists to deliberately generate confusion and mistrust," Lynas told Reuters. "Genetic modification would involve the deliberate insertion of foreign DNA into the nucleus of a human cell, and vaccines simply don't do that. Vaccines work by training the immune system to recognize a pathogen when it attempts to infect the body — this is mostly done by the injection of viral antigens or weakened live viruses that stimulate an immune response through the production of antibodies."
Fuentes continued by warning that taking the vaccine could lead to mandated "vaccine passports" — another right-wing talking point — ultimately leaving you "owned" by the government.
"The vaccine passport is coming, and you gotta be willing to say no. You are going to have to say no, or they [the government] own you. And understand we are all in this together; if a lot of people forfeit themselves to the government, then it's over for all of us. They own all of us, and they control all of us," Fuentes declared. "I will never get a COVID vaccine," the white nationalist further tweeted last week.
I'll say it first: groper movement.
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Can anyone imagine any circumstance under which owning another person as property ( = slavery) is moral?
Everybody: *crickets*
Can anyone imagine any situation in which giving another human being water should be illegal?
GOP: hold my beer!
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(04-09-2021, 03:38 PM)Deesse23 Wrote: Can anyone imagine any circumstance under which owning another person as property ( = slavery) is moral?
Everybody: *crickets*
Can anyone imagine any situation in which giving another human being water should be illegal?
GOP: hold my beer!
Giving someone water makes them vote Democrat, QED.
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A Huge QAnon Conference Is Happening in a Dallas Hotel Owned by the City
https://www.vice.com/en/article/dyvg8z/a...reddit.com
Quote: Just months after dozens of QAnon followers took part in the Capitol insurrection, two major GOP figures are attending a huge QAnon conference in Dallas.
The “For God & Country Patriots Roundup” event, set for Memorial Day weekend, will feature a who’s who of QAnon celebrities, including former national security adviser Michael Flynn and “Kraken” lawyer Sidney Powell. Also speaking at the event will be sitting Texas congressman Louie Gohmert and Texas GOP chair Allen West.
But despite having a speaker lineup stacked with QAnon influencers, the event’s website doesn’t have a single mention of QAnon—and the organizer, John Sabal, claims the event isn't a QAnon conference.
That claim might hold more weight if the event logo didn't feature a QAnon slogan, or if Sabal weren’t known online as “QAnon John.”
The event is taking place at two venues in Dallas, Gilley’s entertainment complex and the Omni Hotel, which is owned by the city of Dallas.
Neither venue responded to VICE News’ requests for comment, but it appears that officials in City Hall have no problem welcoming QAnon followers to their city.
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(04-09-2021, 08:02 PM)GenesisNemesis Wrote: A Huge QAnon Conference Is Happening in a Dallas Hotel Owned by the City
https://www.vice.com/en/article/dyvg8z/a...reddit.com
Quote: Just months after dozens of QAnon followers took part in the Capitol insurrection, two major GOP figures are attending a huge QAnon conference in Dallas.
The “For God & Country Patriots Roundup” event, set for Memorial Day weekend, will feature a who’s who of QAnon celebrities, including former national security adviser Michael Flynn and “Kraken” lawyer Sidney Powell. Also speaking at the event will be sitting Texas congressman Louie Gohmert and Texas GOP chair Allen West.
But despite having a speaker lineup stacked with QAnon influencers, the event’s website doesn’t have a single mention of QAnon—and the organizer, John Sabal, claims the event isn't a QAnon conference.
That claim might hold more weight if the event logo didn't feature a QAnon slogan, or if Sabal weren’t known online as “QAnon John.”
The event is taking place at two venues in Dallas, Gilley’s entertainment complex and the Omni Hotel, which is owned by the city of Dallas.
Neither venue responded to VICE News’ requests for comment, but it appears that officials in City Hall have no problem welcoming QAnon followers to their city.
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I can't really see much future for QAnon if one of their heroes is a supernatural entity LOL.
At least 34 of those arrested for taking part in the breach of the Capitol were QAnon supporters.
Where was their skydaddy then?
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(04-10-2021, 01:18 AM)SYZ Wrote: I can't really see much future for QAnon if one of their heroes is a supernatural entity LOL.
At least 34 of those arrested for taking part in the breach of the Capitol were QAnon supporters.
Where was their skydaddy then?
Well supposedly the people who were arrested were Antifa because fascists love to lie about shit.
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(04-09-2021, 03:43 PM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: (04-09-2021, 03:38 PM)Deesse23 Wrote: Can anyone imagine any circumstance under which owning another person as property ( = slavery) is moral?
Everybody: *crickets*
Can anyone imagine any situation in which giving another human being water should be illegal?
GOP: hold my beer!
Giving someone water makes them vote Democrat, QED.
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(04-10-2021, 01:18 AM)SYZ Wrote: At least 34 of those arrested for taking part in the breach of the Capitol were QAnon supporters.
Where was their skydaddy then?
Setting aside any religious argument at all for the time being, the fact that Qanon could inspire at least 18% of those insurrectionists to take up arms is reason enough to focus on it and highlight its bullshit ... all advice for passive behavior aside, and not saying you're making that argument.
These people are dangerous and should be confronted.
Something about "all it takes for evil to prosper is for good men to do nothing" comes to mind.
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(04-10-2021, 01:40 AM)skyking Wrote: (04-09-2021, 03:43 PM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: (04-09-2021, 03:38 PM)Deesse23 Wrote: Can anyone imagine any circumstance under which owning another person as property ( = slavery) is moral?
Everybody: *crickets*
Can anyone imagine any situation in which giving another human being water should be illegal?
GOP: hold my beer!
Giving someone water makes them vote Democrat, QED.
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Funny you mention Carlin. I just (20 minutes ago) finished watching an 80-minute interview with him, which was really cool because he wasn't using it for cheap set-ups, he was reviewing his own life with his own acerbic insight. It's a good watch if you have the time:
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Steven Crowder Video Recreating Derek Chauvin Kneeling on George Floyd Sparks Backlash
https://www.newsweek.com/steven-crowder-...al-1581914
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Steven Crowder sparked backlash on Twitter on Wednesday for suggesting he would get the producer of his show to kneel on his neck for nine minutes, in a not-so-subtle reference to George Floyd's death.
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"Today I am going to test the theory and have my producer kneel on my neck for 9 minutes, live on concrete," Crowder, a former Fox News contributor, tweeted.
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04-10-2021, 04:38 PM
The Far Right follies (topical thread)
(04-10-2021, 04:24 PM)GenesisNemesis Wrote: "Today I am going to test the theory and have my producer kneel on my neck for 9 minutes, live on concrete," Crowder, a former Fox News contributor, tweeted.
"No tricks, no cuts. We need to walk a mile in another's shoes."
He won't make it to 9 minutes. Not even to 4 minutes.
Back when Bush & Co. were in trouble for waterboarding, Christopher Hitchens, one of the world's actually brilliant minds, but nonetheless an advocate for waterboarding and war against Iraq in general, volunteered to be waterboarded on film to demonstrate it's not truly being torture. He was given twin two pound dumbbells to hold so that if (or when) it got to be more than he could stand, dropping the dumbbells would signal immediate cessation of the procedure. He lasted less than 5 seconds, and said he didn't drop the dumbbells, he'd flung them down as hard as he could. Changed his mind.
Crowder may not have enough mind to change, but it'd be an interesting spectacle. George Clooney sent the Chauvin prosecution some advice telling them to put Chauvin on the court's floor and have done to him what he did to Floyd, since the defense claim is that it wasn't lethal.
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