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09-25-2022, 08:41 PM
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The official new logo of the NIM-Aviation Office of National Intelligence. Something stands out lmao
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09-25-2022, 09:25 PM
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(09-25-2022, 08:41 PM)Aegon Wrote: The official new logo of the NIM-Aviation Office of National Intelligence. Something stands out lmao
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Well, I guess at least someone has a sense of humour.
The whole point of having cake is to eat it
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09-25-2022, 10:54 PM
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Quote:The limited amount of high-quality reporting on unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP) hampers our ability to draw firm conclusions about the nature or intent of UAP.
How is it possible to assign 'intent' to something unidentified, and why does the word 'quango' spring to mind?
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09-25-2022, 11:17 PM
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(09-25-2022, 10:54 PM)Inkubus Wrote: [...] why does the word 'quango' spring to mind?
"Look at us -- we're doing something about it."
That, and spending every last piaster we can borrow, are classic government responses even when the "problem" is only a vocal minority.
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09-25-2022, 11:26 PM
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(09-25-2022, 09:25 PM)adey67 Wrote: (09-25-2022, 08:41 PM)Aegon Wrote: The official new logo of the NIM-Aviation Office of National Intelligence. Something stands out lmao
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Well, I guess at least someone has a sense of humour.
Certainly something the U.S. military is known for
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10-17-2022, 08:09 PM
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The official NASA UAP Webpage for Researchers just went live.
Quote:Principles
NASA leads the world in exploration and is committed to rigorous scientific inquiry. Consistent with NASA’s principles of openness, transparency, and scientific integrity, NASA is establishing the UAP Independent Study as a means to secure the counsel of community experts across diverse areas on matters relevant to potential methods of study of unidentified aerial phenomena. The UAP Independent Study serves as a community-based, interdisciplinary forum for soliciting and coordinating community analysis and input and providing advice.
Statement of Task
The UAP Independent Study shall report on the following questions:
- What types of scientific data currently collected and archived by NASA or other civilian government entities should be synthesized and analyzed to potentially shed light on the nature and origins of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP)?
- What types of scientific data currently collected and held by non-profits and companies should be synthesized and analyzed to potentially shed light on the nature and origins of UAP?
- What other types of scientific data should be collected by NASA to enhance the potential for developing an understanding of the nature and origins of UAP?
- Which scientific analysis techniques currently in production could be employed to assess the nature and origins of UAP? Which types of analysis techniques should be developed?
- In considering the factors above, what basic physical constraints can be placed on the nature and origins of UAP?
- What civilian airspace data related to UAPs have been collected by government agencies and are available for analysis to a) inform efforts to better understand the nature and origins of UAPs, and b) determine the risk of UAPs to the National Air Space (NAS)?
- What current reporting protocols and air traffic management (ATM) data acquisition systems can be modified to acquire additional data on past and future UAPs?
- What potential enhancements to future ATM development efforts can be recommended to acquire data concerning future reported UAPs to assist in the effort to better understand the nature and origin of the UAPs?
Not sure why NASA is bothering with all of this. Hasn't Inkubus told them that the UAPs are just birds?
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10-21-2022, 04:25 PM
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Very exciting news. Pretty disappointing that the study won't have access to classified data though.
NASA Announces Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Study Team Members
Quote:NASA has selected 16 individuals to participate in its independent study team on unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP). Observations of events in the sky that cannot be identified as aircraft or as known natural phenomena are categorized as UAPs.
The independent study will begin on Monday, Oct. 24. Over the course of nine months, the independent study team will lay the groundwork for future study on the nature of UAPs for NASA and other organizations. To do this, the team will identify how data gathered by civilian government entities, commercial data, and data from other sources can potentially be analyzed to shed light on UAPs. It will then recommend a roadmap for potential UAP data analysis by the agency going forward.
The study will focus solely on unclassified data. A full report containing the team’s findings will be released to the public in mid-2023.
“Exploring the unknown in space and the atmosphere is at the heart of who we are at NASA,” said Thomas Zurbuchen, associate administrator of the Science Mission Directorate at NASA Headquarters in Washington. “Understanding the data we have surrounding unidentified aerial phenomena is critical to helping us draw scientific conclusions about what is happening in our skies. Data is the language of scientists and makes the unexplainable, explainable.”
Unidentified aerial phenomena are of interest for both national security and air safety and the study aligns with one of NASA’s goals to ensure the safety of aircraft. Without access to an extensive set of data, it is nearly impossible to verify or explain any observation, thus the focus of the study is to inform NASA what possible data could be collected in the future to scientifically discern the nature of UAP.
The NASA official responsible for orchestrating the study is Daniel Evans, the assistant deputy associate administrator for research at NASA’s Science Mission Directorate. As previously announced, the independent study team is chaired by David Spergel, president of the Simons Foundation.
“NASA has brought together some of the world's leading scientists, data and artificial intelligence practitioners, aerospace safety experts, all with a specific charge, which is to tell us how to apply the full focus of science and data to UAP,” said Evans. “The findings will be released to the public in conjunction with NASA’s principles of transparency, openness, and scientific integrity.”
The members of NASA’s independent study team on unidentified aerial phenomena are:
- David Spergel was selected to chair NASA’s independent study on unidentified aerial phenomena. He is the president of the Simons Foundation where he was the founding director of its Flatiron Institute for Computational Astrophysics. His interests range from the search for planets and nearby stars to the shape of the universe. He has measured the age, shape and composition of the universe and played a key role in establishing the standard model of cosmology. A MacArthur “Genius” Fellow, Spergel has been cited in publications more than 100,000 times.
- Anamaria Berea is an associate professor of Computational and Data Science at George Mason University in Fairfax, Virginia. She is a research affiliate with the SETI Institute in Mountain View, California, and a research investigator with Blue Marble Space Institute of Science in Seattle. Her research is focused on the emergence of communication in complex living systems and on data science applications in astrobiology, for the science of both biosignatures and technosignatures. She uses a wide range of computational methods to uncover fundamental patterns in the data.
- Federica Bianco is a joint professor at the University of Delaware in the Department of Physics and Astrophysics, the Biden School of Public Policy and Administration and the Urban Observatory. She is a cross-disciplinary scientist with a focus on using data-science to study the universe and find solutions to urban-based problems on earth. She also coordinates more than 1,500 scientists for the 2023 Large Synoptic Survey Telescope Science Collaboration to study the night sky in the southern hemisphere and discover new galaxies and stars. She has been published in more than 100 peer-reviewed papers and received that Department of Energy’s “Innovative Development in Energy-Related Applied Science” grant.
- Paula Bontempi has been a biological oceanographer for more than 25 years. She is the sixth dean and the second woman to lead the Graduate School of Oceanography at the University of Rhode Island (URI). She is also a professor of oceanography at URI. She spent eighteen years at NASA and was appointed acting deputy director of NASA’s Earth Science Division for the Science Mission Directorate. She also led NASA’s research on ocean biology, biogeochemistry, the carbon cycle and ecosystems, as well as many NASA Earth observing satellite missions in marine science. She is a fellow of The Oceanography Society.
- Reggie Brothers is the operating partner at AE Industrial Partners in Boca Raton, Florida. He previously served as CEO and board member of BigBear.ai in Columbia, Maryland. Brothers also was the executive vice president and chief technology officer of Peraton, as well as a principal with the Chertoff Group. Prior to his time in the private sector, he served as the undersecretary for Science and Technology at the U.S. Department of Homeland Security and as Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Research at the Department of Defense. Brothers is also a Distinguished Fellow at Georgetown’s Center for Security and Emerging Technology and he is a member of the Visiting Committee for Sponsored Research at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) in Cambridge, Massachusetts.
- Jen Buss is the CEO of the Potomac Institute of Policy Studies in Arlington, Virginia. Before she became CEO, Buss worked extensively with NASA to explore policy issues and strategic planning processes for astronaut medical care and cancer diagnostics and therapeutics. She is nationally recognized as an authority in her field for science and technology trends analysis and policy solutions.
- Nadia Drake is a freelance science journalist and contributing writer at National Geographic. She also regularly writes for Scientific American, and specializes in covering astronomy, astrophysics, planetary sciences, and jungles. She has won journalism awards for her work in National Geographic including the David N. Schramm Award from the High Energy Astrophysics Division of the American Astronomical Society and the Jonathan Eberhart award from the AAS Division of Planetary Sciences. Drake holds a doctorate in genetics from Cornell University.
- Mike Gold is the executive vice president of Civil Space and External Affairs at Redwire in Jacksonville, Florida. Prior to Redwire, Gold held multiple leadership roles at NASA, including associate administrator for Space Policy and Partnerships, acting associate administrator for the Office of International and Interagency Relations and senior advisor to the Administrator for International and Legal Affairs. He led for NASA, jointly with the Department of State, the creation and execution of the Artemis Accords, which established the norms of behavior in space. He also led the negotiation and adoption of binding international agreements for the lunar Gateway, the creation of new planetary protocols and the first purchase by NASA of a lunar resource. Gold was awarded NASA’s Outstanding Leadership Medal for his work in 2020.Additionally, Gold was appointed by the U.S. Secretary of Transportation to serve as Chair of the Commercial Space Transportation Advisory Committee from 2012 until he joined NASA in 2019.
- David Grinspoon is a senior scientist at the Planetary Science Institute in Tuscon, Arizona, and serves as a frequent advisor to NASA on space exploration. He is on science teams for several interplanetary spacecraft missions including the DAVINCI mission to Venus. He is the former inaugural Baruch S. Blumberg NASA/Library of Congress Chair in Astrobiology. His research focuses on comparative planetology especially regarding climate evolution and the implications of habitability on earth-like planets. He was awarded the Carl Sagan Medal by the American Astronomical Society and he is an elected Fellow of the American Association for the Advancement of Science. He is also an adjunct professor of Astrophysical and Planetary Science at the University of Colorado in Boulder, Colorado, as well as Georgetown University in Washington.
- Scott Kelly is a former NASA astronaut, test pilot, fighter pilot, and retired U.S. Navy captain. He commanded the International Space Station Expeditions 26, 45, and 46. He was also the pilot of Space Shuttle Discovery for the third Hubble Servicing Mission. He was selected for a year-long mission to the space station where he set the record at the time for the total accumulated number of days spent in space. Prior to NASA, Kelly was the first pilot to fly the F-14 with a new digital flight control system. He flew the F-14 Tomcat in fighter squadron VF-143 aboard the USS Dwight D. Eisenhower. He is a two-time New York Times bestselling author and was recognized by Time magazine in 2015 as one of the most influential people in the world.
- Matt Mountain is the president of The Association of Universities for Research and Astronomy, known as AURA. At AURA, Mountain oversees a consortium of 44 universities nationwide and four international affiliates who help NASA and the National Science Foundation build and operate observatories including NASA’s Hubble Telescope and James Webb Space Telescope. He also serves as a telescope scientist for Webb and is a member of its Science Working Group. He is the former director of The Space Telescope Science Institute in Baltimore, and the International Gemini Observatory in Hilo, Hawaii.
- Warren Randolph is the deputy executive director of the Federal Aviation Administration’s Accident Investigation and Prevention for Aviation Safety department. He has an extensive background in aviation safety at the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) and is currently responsible for setting and implementing safety management system principles and using data to inform the assessment of future hazards and emerging safety risks. Prior to the FAA, Randolph served as an aerodynamicist for the U.S. Coast Guard and the U.S. Air Force for multiple flight simulations.
- Walter Scott is the executive vice president and chief technology officer of Maxar in Westminster, Colorado, a space technology company that specializes in earth intelligence and space infrastructure. In 1992, he founded DigitalGlobe which became part of Maxar in 2017. He has held leadership positions at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in Livermore, California and was the president of Scott Consulting. In 2021, he was inducted into the David W. Thompson Lecture in Space Commerce by the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics.
- Joshua Semeter is a professor of electrical and computer engineering as well as the director of the Center for Space Physics at Boston University. At Boston University, he researches interactions between Earth’s ionosphere and the space environment. Activities in Semeter’s lab include the development of optical and magnetic sensor technologies, radar experiment design and signal processing, and the application of tomographic and other inversion techniques to the analysis of distributed, multi-mode measurements of the space environment.
- Karlin Toner is the acting executive director of the FAA’s Office of Aviation Policy and Plans. Previously, she served as the director of the FAA’s global strategy where she led the FAA’s international strategy and managed threats to international civil aviation. Prior to the FAA, Toner served at NASA in multiple leadership positions including director of the Airspace Systems Program at NASA Headquarters. She is a NASA Exceptional Achievement Medal recipient and is an associate fellow for the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics.
- Shelley Wright is an associate professor of physics at the University of California, San Diego’s Center for Astrophysics and Space Studies. She specializes in galaxies, supermassive black holes and building optical and infrared instruments for telescopes using adaptive optics such as integral field spectrographs. She is a Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence (SETI) researcher and instrumentalist. She is also the principal investigator for the UC San Diego Optical Infrared Laboratory. Previously, she was an assistant professor at the University of Toronto’s Dunlap Institute.
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12-16-2022, 04:49 PM
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The National Defense Authorization Act for FY2023 was recently finalized, going to be signed by Biden on Dec. 31. I wanted to point out the section on whistleblower protections for those reporting on UAP activity occurring in another part of the government or a government contractor. UAP, by the way, no longer means Unidentified Aerial Phenomena, but rather "UNIDENTIFIED ANOMALOUS PHENOMENA."
https://rules.house.gov/sites/democrats....117-70.pdf
Quote:(1) ESTABLISHMENT.—The Secretary of Defense, acting through the head of the Office and in consultation with the Director of National Intelligence, shall establish a secure mechanism for authorized reporting of—
(A) any event relating to unidentified anomalous phenomena; and any activity or program by a department or agency of the Federal Government or a contractor of such a department or agency relating to unidentified anomalous phenomena, including with respect to material retrieval, material analysis, reverse engineering, research and development, detection and tracking, developmental or operational testing, and security protections and enforcement.
12 (2) PROTECTION OF SYSTEMS, PROGRAMS, AND ACTIVITY.— The Secretary shall ensure that the mechanism for authorized reporting established under paragraph (1) prevents the unauthorized public reporting or compromise of classified military and intelligence systems, programs, and related activity, including all categories and levels of special access and compartmented access programs.
20 (3) ADMINISTRATION.—The Secretary shall ensure that the mechanism for authorized reporting established under paragraph (1) is administered by designated and appropriately cleared employees of the Department of Defense or elements of the intelligence community or contractors of the Department or such elements assigned to the Office.
3 (4) SHARING OF INFORMATION.—
4 (A) PROMPT SHARING WITHIN OFFICE.—
5 The Secretary shall ensure that the mechanism
6 for authorized reporting established under paragraph (1) provides for the sharing of an authorized disclosure to personnel and supporting analysts and scientists of the Office (regardless of the classification of information contained in the disclosure or any nondisclosure agreements), unless the employees or contractors administering the mechanism under paragraph (3) conclude that the preponderance of information available regarding the disclosure indicates that the observed object and associated events and activities likely relate to a special access program or compartmented access program that, as of the date of the disclosure, has been explicitly and clearly reported to the congressional defense committees or the congressional intelligence committees, and is documented as meeting those criteria.
Interesting times ahead... even if they all occur in classified briefings...
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04-19-2023, 04:37 PM
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The Senate Intelligence subcommittee on Emerging Threats and Capabilities is hosting a hearing on UAPs right now, with primary witness Director Sean Kirkpatrick from the DoD's new All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office. They released a new video live.
https://www.youtube.com/live/y9cCfS5XkW4...are&t=3688
And here's an informative slide on some of what AARO knows so far (at least, what they can say in a public, declassified briefing):
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04-19-2023, 11:33 PM
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[quote="Aegon" pid='396791' dateline='1681922270']
https://www.youtube.com/live/y9cCfS5XkW4...are&t=3688
Tl,dw. Transcript please.
This is generating jiz among the Space cadets
A few questions regarding the camera platform:
1) What altitude?
2) What speed?
3) What bearing?
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04-20-2023, 06:25 AM
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(09-25-2022, 09:25 PM)adey67 Wrote: (09-25-2022, 08:41 PM)Aegon Wrote: The official new logo of the NIM-Aviation Office of National Intelligence. Something stands out lmao
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Well, I guess at least someone has a sense of humour.
LOL! I missed the flying saucer...
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04-24-2023, 03:27 PM
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Quote:The director of the Pentagon’s unidentified aerial phenomena research office on Wednesday refuted the possibility that any UAP the office has investigated came from extraterrestrial origins.
In the second congressional hearing on UAPs in 50 years, Sean Kirkpatrick, the director of the Pentagon’s All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office, spoke before the Senate Armed Services Subcommittee on Emerging Threats and Capabilities about his office’s investigations of UAPs.
Kirkpatrick made clear to lawmakers that none of the 650-plus incidents under investigation since the AARO’s July 2022 inception were of an alien nature.
“AARO has found no credible evidence thus far of extraterrestrial activity, off-world technology or objects that defy the known laws of physics,” Kirkpatrick told lawmakers.
“In the event sufficient scientific data [emerges] that a UAP encountered can only be explained by extraterrestrial origin, we are committed to working with our interagency partners at NASA to appropriately inform [the] government’s leadership of its findings,” he added.
https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-...cial-says/
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04-24-2023, 06:17 PM
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Maybe they'll need some money to check for aliens again in 50 more years? Eternal vigilance or it's equivalent in USD is, after all, the price of freedom.
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05-06-2023, 09:55 AM
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(04-19-2023, 11:33 PM)Inkubus Wrote:
A few questions regarding the camera platform:
1) What altitude?
2) What speed?
3) What bearing?
My guess is it's simply a tiny drop of water condensate rolling down the
outermost lens filter. The camera is not actually "panning". Whoever
posted this online simply used a type of "pan and scan" technique of the
entire image screen to make it look as though the camera was following
the droplet.
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05-23-2023, 02:30 PM
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(05-06-2023, 09:55 AM)SYZ Wrote: (04-19-2023, 11:33 PM)Inkubus Wrote:
A few questions regarding the camera platform:
1) What altitude?
2) What speed?
3) What bearing?
My guess is it's simply a tiny drop of water condensate rolling down the
outermost lens filter. The camera is not actually "panning". Whoever
posted this online simply used a type of "pan and scan" technique of the
entire image screen to make it look as though the camera was following
the droplet.
LOL
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05-31-2023, 08:41 PM
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada...gn=KARANGA
Quote:A Nasa panel investigating unidentified flying objects has collected around 800 mysterious reports - but only a small fraction are truly unexplained, researchers say.
Oh, well.... it gives the kooks something to keep them busy!
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Quote:The whistleblower, David Charles Grusch, 36, a decorated former combat officer in Afghanistan, is a veteran of the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA) and the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO). He served as the reconnaissance office’s representative to the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force from 2019-2021. From late 2021 to July 2022, he was the NGA’s co-lead for UAP analysis and its representative to the task force.
Grusch said the recoveries of partial fragments through and up to intact vehicles have been made for decades through the present day by the government, its allies, and defense contractors. Analysis has determined that the objects retrieved are “of exotic origin (non-human intelligence, whether extraterrestrial or unknown origin) based on the vehicle morphologies and material science testing and the possession of unique atomic arrangements and radiological signatures,” he said.
In filing his complaint, Grusch is represented by a lawyer who served as the original Intelligence Community Inspector General (ICIG).
“We are not talking about prosaic origins or identities,” Grusch said, referencing information he provided Congress and the current ICIG. “The material includes intact and partially intact vehicles.”
In accordance with protocols, Grusch provided the Defense Office of Prepublication and Security Review at the Department of Defense with the information he intended to disclose to us. His on-the-record statements were all “cleared for open publication” on April 4 and 6, 2023, in documents provided to us.
INTELLIGENCE OFFICIALS SAY U.S. HAS RETRIEVED CRAFT OF NON-HUMAN ORIGIN
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06-05-2023, 05:05 PM
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(06-05-2023, 03:11 PM)Aegon Wrote: INTELLIGENCE OFFICIALS SAY U.S. HAS RETRIEVED CRAFT OF NON-HUMAN ORIGIN
Sounds like Trump. A lot of talk about having evidence but never showing any.
There's nothing to show, else we'd be seeing it. Exotic alloys we've been able to ascertain the molecular structure of? If such alloys existed possessing characteristics superior to terrestrial alloys they'd be in production already and in use in aerospace and elsewhere.
It appears that all these "finds" and "analyses" are happening across decades and multiple agencies involving hundreds or thousands of people. Every single one of whom has been able to keep their lips sealed. Except now, finally, ONE person can't keep quiet. That fact alone strains credulity beyond its yield point.
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06-05-2023, 05:15 PM
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Put the name David Charles Grusch UFO in the google search bar and you will be rewarded with a stream of fringe "news" outlets - on the order of US supermarket tabloids pushing this story. The US Sun - owned by Rupert Murdoch's gang of nazis - figures prominently!
Let me know when a credible news or scientific source weighs in.
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06-06-2023, 01:38 AM
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(06-05-2023, 03:11 PM)Aegon Wrote: Grusch said the recoveries of partial fragments through and up to intact vehicles have been made for decades...
Inkubus asks; 'where are they?'
Aegon said; 'It's a secret.'
Inkubus said; 'well fuck off then.'
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06-06-2023, 09:47 PM
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(06-05-2023, 05:15 PM)Minimalist Wrote: Put the name David Charles Grusch UFO in the google search bar and you will be rewarded with a stream of fringe "news" outlets - on the order of US supermarket tabloids pushing this story. The US Sun - owned by Rupert Murdoch's gang of nazis - figures prominently!
Let me know when a credible news or scientific source weighs in.
Oh it's the source you have an issue with? I don't believe you lol.
Unless you're going to take everything back when WaPo publishes it at the end of the week?
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06-06-2023, 09:53 PM
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(06-05-2023, 05:05 PM)airportkid Wrote: (06-05-2023, 03:11 PM)Aegon Wrote: INTELLIGENCE OFFICIALS SAY U.S. HAS RETRIEVED CRAFT OF NON-HUMAN ORIGIN
Sounds like Trump. A lot of talk about having evidence but never showing any.
There's nothing to show, else we'd be seeing it. Exotic alloys we've been able to ascertain the molecular structure of? If such alloys existed possessing characteristics superior to terrestrial alloys they'd be in production already and in use in aerospace and elsewhere.
You don't think it's possible we have alloys of non-human origin because otherwise we would've figured out how to reverse engineer and mass produce them by now? Without knowing any additional factors? That sounds like an additional layer of serious complexity that would be less likely, not more likely.
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It appears that all these "finds" and "analyses" are happening across decades and multiple agencies involving hundreds or thousands of people. Every single one of whom has been able to keep their lips sealed. Except now, finally, ONE person can't keep quiet. That fact alone strains credulity beyond its yield point.
This thread is literally filled with 5 years of people who are coming out of the woodwork to talk about these things? Yall just didn't believe any of them. It's like Min's comment about the source. Am I actually supposed to believe that if the NYT reported this, the skeptics in this thread would be on board? I've already posted NYT reporting on this issue. It was met with the same response all my posts in this thread are met with.
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06-06-2023, 09:57 PM
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UFOs: No Longer Crazy?
Ultimately, the source would be Mr. Grusch, wouldn't it? Guy says he hasn't seen anything himself, but he's been provided "evidence" and "oral testimony" by others. The us managed to (at least briefly) convince a number of high ranking soviet officials that we had alien technology in the not-so-distant past. It's a truly global phenomena. Is Mr. Grusch a simple fool, a brave whistleblower....or part of the conspiracy...?
-my money is on all three.
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