Historical Jesus, Biblical Jesus

[Dānu]

Who on this forum made the claim you are rebutting and what is the url of the post on this forum where they made that argument?

I didn't claim that anyone here made the argument. I was simply pasting some related material from my large collection of my own writings.

I see. And what inscrutable purpose were you attempting to serve by doing so?

[Dave Armstrong]

Who on this forum made the claim you are rebutting and what is the url of the post on this forum where they made that argument?

I didn't claim that anyone here made the argument. I was simply pasting some related material from my large collection of my own writings.

I see.  And what inscrutable purpose were you attempting to serve by doing so?

None. Just posting some related info. about the Bible and coins. If I could go delete it, I'd be happy to, if it is annoying folks so much, but I can't -- or so it seems.

[Minimalist]

At least coins are real - and very useful archaeologically for dating purposes.


That's more than I can say for your imaginary godboy.

[Free]

I'm not sure about the reigns of Titus and Hadrian but this is the information on the denarii in Matthew that is completely out of place.

https://adversusapologetica.wordpress.co...e-gospels/

Atheist charge: According to Matthew 26:15, the chief priests gave “thirty pieces of silver” to Judas. But how is that possible, since there were no silver coins used as currency in Jesus’ time, and there had not been any for about 300 years?

It is defined in the Greek as: a silverling (i.e. drachma or shekel).

[Minimalist]

Quite right, Free.  We have records of wage rates showing that Athenian citizens were paid one drachma per day while they were rowing the triremes during the Pelopennesian War in the late 5th century BCE.

I'm sure you have heard the suggestion that one of the reasons for the Athenian's stupid invasion of Syracuse after the Peace of Nicias was that the good and peaceful citizens of Athens were not only bored witn no boats to row they were also tired  of not getting paid.  A new war became a necessity for them economically which was, perhaps, the earliest expression of the military-industrial complex!

[OMM]

[Minimalist]

Nice compilation of Hitchens blasting the living shit out of religion(s).

[Minimalist]

Getting back to what we do here.....

[jerry mcmasters]

Hi. Hello forum members. It's me. This thread.

Long time, no chat? Hope everyone is well. Jerry still an asshole? Well, you know how he is.

So, look, um, sometimes I hear things from the other forums, you know, rumors and stuff. I mean I'm not saying anything, I'm just saying. Like, you guys have...maybe...been seeing another thread? I mean, you know, whatever, I just thought that...all this time, all these posts, you know, I thought we had something kinda special. Like, all this time, and suddenly I don't meet your Historical Jesus Mythic Jesus needs? I'm not good enough for some reason all the sudden? It's just...well it's gross. And well yeah, I guess I'm pissed. Fuck you. Fuck you go enjoy your new whore Jesus thread. Fuck off.

[Antonio]

Let's not forget fraud jesus

[Minimalist]

[Kim]

Mmmmyyeeeesss ... for people who don't really do the god thing, pages of words certainly pile up.  Come to think of it, that could be part of the problem.
It's the ubiquity of related subject matter, all trying to establish, prove/disprove, connect dots, both real and imagined.  There's a centuries high pile of bits & bobs - fantasy material for a bedtime story, written for a civilization perpetually on the eve of self destruction. The never ending soap opera of the almighty, shoe wearing ape.
 

I guess I got nothing else to do.  

[Minimalist]

But you're doing it well.


All that verbiage they produce is mainly to cover up their own insecurities about a very silly story in the 21st century.

[KingEric]

Let's not forget fraud jesus

And gay Jesus.

[Minimalist]

You mean, Mark 14!

49 Day after day I was with you in the temple teaching, and you did not seize me. But let the scriptures be fulfilled.” 50 And they all forsook him, and fled. 51 And a young man followed him, with nothing but a linen cloth about his body; and they seized him, 52 but he left the linen cloth and ran away naked.

Probably written for a Greek audience.  The Greeks were no where near as uptight as the jews about that stuff!

[KingEric]

Nah I was talking about John. Jesus loved John in a special way.

[Kim]

Nah I was talking about John. Jesus loved John in a special way.

I thought John was his brother. Was he not?

[Rhythmcs]

Depends on whether you believe in the perpetual virginity of mary, lol. He had cousins or non literal family, according to "the consensus of scholars"....(because of perpetual virginity).

[Minimalist]

[Gwaithmir]

Hi.  Hello forum members.  It's me.  This thread.  

Long time, no chat?  Hope everyone is well.  Jerry still an asshole?  Well, you know how he is.

So, look, um, sometimes I hear things from the other forums, you know, rumors and stuff.  I mean I'm not saying anything, I'm just saying.  Like, you guys have...maybe...been seeing another thread?  I mean, you know, whatever, I just thought that...all this time, all these posts, you know, I thought we had something kinda special.  Like, all this time, and suddenly I don't meet your Historical Jesus Mythic Jesus needs?  I'm not good enough for some reason all the sudden?  It's just...well it's gross.  And well yeah, I guess I'm pissed.  Fuck you.  Fuck you go enjoy your new whore Jesus thread.  Fuck off.

I'm missing something here. What brought about this hostility? 

[Minimalist]

It's just Jerry slipping into manic-depressive mode.  He's been getting better lately but it is never a smooth upward climb!

[jerry mcmasters]

Mmmmyyeeeesss ... for people who don't really do the god thing, pages of words certainly pile up.  Come to think of it, that could be part of the problem.  
It's the ubiquity of related subject matter, all trying to establish, prove/disprove, connect dots, both real and imagined.  There's a centuries high pile of bits & bobs -  fantasy material for a bedtime story, written for a civilization perpetually on the eve of self destruction. The never ending soap opera of the almighty, shoe wearing ape.
 
     
 I guess I got nothing else to do.   

The almighty, shoe wearing ape.  Love it, that is us to a "t"

[Minimalist]

I always liked Hitchen's " a half chromosome away from a chimpanzee."

[jerry mcmasters]

Hi.  Hello forum members.  It's me.  This thread.  

Long time, no chat?  Hope everyone is well.  Jerry still an asshole?  Well, you know how he is.

So, look, um, sometimes I hear things from the other forums, you know, rumors and stuff.  I mean I'm not saying anything, I'm just saying.  Like, you guys have...maybe...been seeing another thread?  I mean, you know, whatever, I just thought that...all this time, all these posts, you know, I thought we had something kinda special.  Like, all this time, and suddenly I don't meet your Historical Jesus Mythic Jesus needs?  I'm not good enough for some reason all the sudden?  It's just...well it's gross.  And well yeah, I guess I'm pissed.  Fuck you.  Fuck you go enjoy your new whore Jesus thread.  Fuck off.

I'm missing something here. What brought about this hostility? 

No hostility intended, G, just some nonsensical mischief.  

[Minimalist]

I have pondered this question myself, not so much in regards to Philo who died before the revolt began, but definitely in the case of Josephus and Tacitus.  Josephus in The Jewish War discusses the various jewish groups in the run up to the war.  Tacitus despite discussing the war never mentions xtians except in the dubious case of Nero's supposed persecution of them  which would have happened in Rome, if it happened anywhere, and not Judaea.  In The Histories, he specifically discusses the mythological origin of the Jews but again, xtians are merely given an oblique reference back the the supposed persecution in Annales.  Well, this is an interesting video and is broken in to chapters to be stopped and restarted for those who can't sit still for 35 minutes.