Historical Jesus, Biblical Jesus

[TinyDave]

Happy New Year

I'm still waiting for the zombie apocalypse

"Matthew 27:52
and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life."

[Minimalist]

Ehrman suffers from being around too long.  Anyone who wants to can find earlier books/arguments he made which he has now discarded.  In the mind of religitards this makes him a liar because they certainly do not appreciate that someone's views can change with more knowledge.

But as far as I can tell, he still insists that the godboy being crucified by Pilate really, really, really, did happen even though he trashes everything else in the book.

Let go with the other hand, Bart.

[TinyDave]

Anyone who wants to can find earlier books/arguments he made which he has now discarded.  

This is amusing though isn't it. 

Earlier books/arguments can be discarded?

[Minimalist]

Sure.  Some people are capable of intellectual growth.


It is uncommon among religitards, though.

[Alan V]

This is from an Amazon book description:

"Christian apologists work hard to defend the resurrection of Jesus, despite the woefully poor descriptions of the supposed event in the New Testament. I suspect they could also rise to the challenge of proving that the Fairy Godmother in Cinderella really did transform a pumpkin into a carriage. It's no surprise that the apologetic literature defending the resurrection is enormous, but there has been considerable pushback from secular writers as well as from religious scholars who can live with a metaphorical understanding of the resurrection. But the task for the curious reader--trying to cut through all this clutter--has been made easy by Robert Conner's The Jesus Cult: 2000 Years of the Last Days. As this title suggests, Conner incisively demonstrates that a crucial element in early Christian belief--the arrival of Jesus on the clouds any day now--is just plain wrong. He also pulls together the New Testament texts that show just how incoherent the resurrection stories are: no wonder the apologists have to work so hard. In his engaging conversational writing style, Conner also shows the on-going damage--into our own times--that the Jesus Cult causes. This book is a must-read, especially for Christians who may be curious enough about their faith to do at least a little due diligence.

David Madison, Ph.D. in Biblical Studies"

[TinyDave]

David Madison, Ph.D. in Biblical Studies"

Yes.

TinyDave.
PhD in Cat Philosophy.
School Of Litter Tray.

Published articles;

A poop.
A poop that was cleared away.
Another poop.

I await your rebuttal to my articules

[Cavebear]

Anyone who wants to can find earlier books/arguments he made which he has now discarded.  

This is amusing though isn't it. 

Earlier books/arguments can be discarded?

Superstition can always be discarded. Fiction that really pretends to be factual (like alien encounters) can always be discarded. Bad arguments can always be discarded.

[TinyDave]

This is amusing though isn't it. 

Earlier books/arguments can be discarded?

Superstition can always be discarded.  Fiction that really pretends to be factual (like alien encounters) can always be discarded.  Bad arguments can always be discarded.

Do you not think that alien encounters will be regarded in they same way as superstition in the near future?

You're right though, bad arguments can always be discarded and discredited. 
Witches, Aliens and whatever comes next need to bee looked at through the lens of sense.

[Minimalist]

I regard Alien "encounters" as superstition right now.

[TinyDave]

Aliens are the next gods

[Cavebear]

Superstition can always be discarded.  Fiction that really pretends to be factual (like alien encounters) can always be discarded.  Bad arguments can always be discarded.

Do you not think that alien encounters will be regarded in they same way as superstition in the near future?

You're right though, bad arguments can always be discarded and discredited. 
Witches, Aliens and whatever comes next need to bee looked at through the lens of sense.

That was a little confusing. I always hate "do you not think". LOL! But taking out the "not" always makes things clearer. So, "do I think that alien encounters will be regarded in the same way as superstition in the near future"? Well, 20% of Americans believe that extraterrestrials have visited earth. About the same % agree with more earthly superstitions (4 leaf clovers, walking under a ladder, breaking a mirror, etc).

But then, 77% of Americans are religious and I consider that "superstitious".

I expect that, as education improves and society becomes more accustomed to scientific evidence, fewer people with be as superstitious. After all, most people (kicking and screaming) have come to accept the Earth is not flat, the Earth is not the center of the Universe, and we did evolve from primate ancestors.

That is not saying there are not "aliens" out there somewhere. The universe is a huge place and the possibility for life is nearly endless through time, space, and potential biochemistry and conditions. Just not here and now...

[Alan V]

David Madison, Ph.D. in Biblical Studies"

TinyDave.
PhD in Cat Philosophy.
School Of Litter Tray.

I would assume that in most colleges, Bibilical study is as valid a scholarly specialization as the study of Greek literature.  That's why we have many careful and illuminating critiques of the history of how the Bible was actually compiled, its cultural significance in context, and so on.

[Minimalist]

Depends on the school. You can bet that Patriot Bible University doesn't teach the historical-critical method.

[Minimalist]

Speaking of Historical-Critical - here's Ehrman on Mythvision. I love the part where he rips the "empty tomb" horseshit to shreds!

[Cavebear]

Speaking of Historical-Critical - here's Ehrman on Mythvision. I love the part where he rips the "empty tomb" horseshit to shreds!

I tried to listen to the link, but it just got too silly (and long) after a while that I had to just leave. Talk about a bunch of nonsense CRAP!

I try to understand theist discussions sometimes. But I just have to give up on the idea of any kind od sense coning from them.

[Minimalist]

Ehrman has some annoying vocal quirks.... he loves to laugh at his own jokes for example, which makes him hard to listen to.  Still, he is one of the few actual scholars who tries to write for the general public.  And his discussion of the empty tomb horseshit is spot on.

[Minimalist]

No empty tomb.

Someone reading from Ehrman's book on How Jesus Became God.

[Minimalist]

If we have its a good thing!