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Thread: A Non-Religious Case Against Abortion
Post: RE: A Non-Religious Case Against Abortion
| (07-21-2024, 05:12 AM)daughterofkarl Wrote: I don't know if this point has been raised in previous posts. I haven't the time or, honestly, the desire to go back and read the 52 pages of responses t... |
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Thread: Ship of Theseus Paradox Isn't
Post: RE: Ship of Theseus Paradox Isn't
| (07-20-2024, 07:47 PM)airportkid Wrote: It's the classic conundrum of identity: is an object which over time has had all of its components replaced until none that were original remain still the or... |
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Thread: A Non-Religious Case Against Abortion
Post: RE: A Non-Religious Case Against Abortion
| (07-17-2024, 08:23 PM)Dānu Wrote: (07-17-2024, 07:21 PM)SteveII Wrote: It is inconsistent. That's why in post #1233 I said as much.
The reason for the exceptions are a compromise to get some legi... |
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07-18-2024, 11:45 AM |
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Thread: A Non-Religious Case Against Abortion
Post: RE: A Non-Religious Case Against Abortion
| (07-17-2024, 04:47 PM)Dānu Wrote: (07-16-2024, 02:51 PM)SteveII Wrote: No. If one believes life has intrinsic moral worth, then they both have the same moral worth. I think it is also true that it... |
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Thread: A Non-Religious Case Against Abortion
Post: RE: A Non-Religious Case Against Abortion
| (07-16-2024, 12:58 PM)Dānu Wrote: (07-16-2024, 12:53 PM)SteveII Wrote: I'm not in a position to have a general opinion on that. It seems that is a hugely personal decision that should be left up t... |
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Thread: A Non-Religious Case Against Abortion
Post: RE: A Non-Religious Case Against Abortion
| (07-16-2024, 12:34 PM)Dānu Wrote: (07-16-2024, 12:08 PM)SteveII Wrote: In that unfortunate scenario, someone must die. In most cases, doing nothing risks both lives. Their lives are literally inte... |
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Thread: A Non-Religious Case Against Abortion
Post: RE: A Non-Religious Case Against Abortion
| (07-15-2024, 05:24 PM)epronovost Wrote: (07-15-2024, 05:18 PM)SteveII Wrote: We are back to: You don't kill humans. If killing one would save 20, you don't kill the one.
Then explain to me how the... |
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Thread: A Non-Religious Case Against Abortion
Post: RE: A Non-Religious Case Against Abortion
| (07-14-2024, 09:33 PM)epronovost Wrote: (07-14-2024, 06:19 PM)SteveII Wrote: I do not believe that abortion is right in the case of fetal abnormalities, rape or incest. That would be inconsistent.... |
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Thread: A Non-Religious Case Against Abortion
Post: RE: A Non-Religious Case Against Abortion
| (07-14-2024, 09:33 PM)epronovost Wrote: (07-14-2024, 06:19 PM)SteveII Wrote: The post you responded to was about the metaethical level, not the details about why an abortion might be desired.
Util... |
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07-15-2024, 03:31 PM |
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Thread: A Non-Religious Case Against Abortion
Post: RE: A Non-Religious Case Against Abortion
| (07-12-2024, 10:04 PM)epronovost Wrote: (07-12-2024, 07:43 PM)SteveII Wrote: What arguments such as the one I made in the OP (and subsequent defense) do is highlight the problems of YOUR worldview... |
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Thread: A Non-Religious Case Against Abortion
Post: RE: A Non-Religious Case Against Abortion
| (07-08-2024, 05:13 PM)epronovost Wrote: (07-08-2024, 04:21 PM)Dānu Wrote: I think the more difficult problem comes from the Ship of Theseus paradox. If you make identity contingent upon being mat... |
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Thread: Common Atheist Mistakes: Christianity & Science
Post: RE: Common Atheist Mistakes: Christianity & Scienc...
| (07-09-2024, 06:01 PM)Shai Hulud Wrote: (07-09-2024, 03:12 PM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: That is probably the longest and most convoluted No True Scotsman I've read in the last ten years.
Yup, I give u... |
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07-09-2024, 06:37 PM |
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Thread: A Non-Religious Case Against Abortion
Post: RE: A Non-Religious Case Against Abortion
| (07-09-2024, 04:36 PM)epronovost Wrote: (07-09-2024, 11:26 AM)SteveII Wrote: You are (and have constantly been) mischaracterizing my argument to make yours stronger. There is a name for that, but ... |
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Thread: Common Atheist Mistakes: Christianity & Science
Post: RE: Common Atheist Mistakes: Christianity & Scienc...
| (07-08-2024, 11:00 PM)Shai Hulud Wrote: (07-08-2024, 04:51 PM)SteveII Wrote: I addressed a lot of this in this post.
The concept of C. S. Lewis's Mere Christianity helps make sense of what a Chr... |
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Thread: A Non-Religious Case Against Abortion
Post: RE: A Non-Religious Case Against Abortion
| (07-08-2024, 07:47 PM)epronovost Wrote: (07-08-2024, 07:28 PM)SteveII Wrote: The importance of the unique genetic code is not the code itself, it is what the existence of the code means (its ontol... |
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Thread: A Non-Religious Case Against Abortion
Post: RE: A Non-Religious Case Against Abortion
| (07-08-2024, 04:21 PM)Dānu Wrote: I think the more difficult problem comes from the Ship of Theseus paradox. If you make identity contingent upon being materially different from its source, what ha... |
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Thread: Common Atheist Mistakes: Christianity & Science
Post: RE: Common Atheist Mistakes: Christianity & Scienc...
| (07-07-2024, 06:00 PM)Shai Hulud Wrote: Okay, all honesty...I only read the first eight pages and then began to skim the next six.
(06-22-2024, 02:50 AM)SteveII Wrote: When you see 'orthodox' wit... |
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Thread: Common Atheist Mistakes: Christianity & Science
Post: RE: Common Atheist Mistakes: Christianity & Scienc...
| (07-07-2024, 02:54 PM)Dānu Wrote: (07-07-2024, 02:30 AM)SteveII Wrote: Second, what new knowledge (or category of knowledge) do you think is possible for Christianity? Be careful here, because the... |
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Thread: A Non-Religious Case Against Abortion
Post: RE: A Non-Religious Case Against Abortion
| (07-07-2024, 06:18 PM)Dānu Wrote: (07-07-2024, 04:50 PM)SteveII Wrote: The original premise support was talking about a unique identity in relation to the mother. I thought genetics to be the most... |
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Thread: A Non-Religious Case Against Abortion
Post: RE: A Non-Religious Case Against Abortion
| (07-07-2024, 12:10 PM)Dānu Wrote: (07-07-2024, 12:01 PM)SteveII Wrote: I wondered if someone would see that possibility in the sentence and ask. I would say first that the twins, while genetically... |
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Thread: A Non-Religious Case Against Abortion
Post: RE: A Non-Religious Case Against Abortion
| (07-07-2024, 01:29 PM)Dānu Wrote: (07-07-2024, 12:01 PM)SteveII Wrote: I wondered if someone would see that possibility in the sentence and ask. I would say first that the twins, while genetically... |
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Thread: A Non-Religious Case Against Abortion
Post: RE: A Non-Religious Case Against Abortion
| (07-07-2024, 11:52 AM)Alan V Wrote: (07-07-2024, 03:15 AM)SteveII Wrote: To your first point, do you think the twin thing is relevant to the point of my FULL paragraph (which you clipped)? In othe... |
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07-07-2024, 04:42 PM |
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Thread: A Non-Religious Case Against Abortion
Post: RE: A Non-Religious Case Against Abortion
| (07-07-2024, 10:59 AM)Dānu Wrote: (07-07-2024, 03:15 AM)SteveII Wrote: To your first point, do you think the twin thing is relevant to the point of my FULL paragraph (which you clipped)? In other ... |
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Thread: A Non-Religious Case Against Abortion
Post: RE: A Non-Religious Case Against Abortion
| (07-07-2024, 02:31 AM)Alan V Wrote: (07-07-2024, 02:02 AM)SteveII Wrote: Sorry, your sentence "Science therefore actually says that unique identities depend on discrete and well-developed nervous ... |
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Thread: Common Atheist Mistakes: Christianity & Science
Post: RE: Common Atheist Mistakes: Christianity & Scienc...
| (07-03-2024, 09:21 PM)airportkid Wrote: So, believing A, B and C qualifies you as a "Christian" ™. Variance from these beliefs, rejections of any of them, or adding to them removes you from qu... |
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