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    Thread: Is there such a thing as Hate Speech toward the Religious?
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A bit to unpack here. Let's be honest, few of us are perfectly courteous. This typically ranges from slightly poorer manners to outright bigotry and targets aren't limited to the religious. A quick r...
Paleophyte Philosophy and Ethics 33 275 Today, 02:35 AM
    Thread: A Secular Case Against Euthanasia and Assisted Suicide
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(Yesterday, 10:57 PM)Cavebear Wrote: A doctor is obliged to "cause no harm".  But the question is what the harm is.  Is forcing someone to live in unwanted pain or traumatic existence "causing no ha...
Paleophyte Philosophy and Ethics 423 3,770 Yesterday, 11:29 PM
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(Yesterday, 10:21 PM)Vorpal Wrote: So do the doctors just ask the patients what they want or do they evaluate if what they want is reasonable given the facts?  Subjective versus Objective. All human...
Paleophyte Philosophy and Ethics 423 3,770 Yesterday, 11:24 PM
    Thread: A Secular Case Against Euthanasia and Assisted Suicide
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(Yesterday, 09:18 PM)Vorpal Wrote: I am making such an obvious and reasonable point that any objective and neutral party would agree with me.  My point is to stop trying to stir crap up with Steve. ...
Paleophyte Philosophy and Ethics 423 3,770 Yesterday, 09:30 PM
    Thread: A Secular Case Against Euthanasia and Assisted Suicide
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(Yesterday, 07:42 PM)Vorpal Wrote: I have asked if you support assisted suicide for physically healthy individuals with depression or other mental illness or where the limit should fall. Mental illn...
Paleophyte Philosophy and Ethics 423 3,770 Yesterday, 09:27 PM
    Thread: Is there such a thing as Hate Speech toward the Religious?
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(Yesterday, 05:46 PM)Vorpal Wrote: (Yesterday, 05:42 PM)Paleophyte Wrote: Just paraphrasing the guy who started the thread with that name. Your concern is amusingly selective. I am sure you know ...
Paleophyte Philosophy and Ethics 33 275 Yesterday, 05:53 PM
    Thread: Is there such a thing as Hate Speech toward the Religious?
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(Yesterday, 05:38 PM)Vorpal Wrote: (Yesterday, 05:28 PM)Paleophyte Wrote: And does hate speech toward "wokeism" count?  :facepalm: Wokeness is not a religion. Just paraphrasing the guy who started...
Paleophyte Philosophy and Ethics 33 275 Yesterday, 05:42 PM
    Thread: A Secular Case Against Euthanasia and Assisted Suicide
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(Yesterday, 05:32 PM)Vorpal Wrote: (Yesterday, 05:22 PM)Paleophyte Wrote: And your random interjections about how hard-done-by poor Steve is don't contribute anything except to stir the pot. I thi...
Paleophyte Philosophy and Ethics 423 3,770 Yesterday, 05:37 PM
    Thread: A Secular Case Against Euthanasia and Assisted Suicide
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(Yesterday, 05:26 PM)Vorpal Wrote: (Yesterday, 05:20 PM)Paleophyte Wrote: It's absolutely that simple. A person who's suffering but determines that their life is still worth living gets to choose ...
Paleophyte Philosophy and Ethics 423 3,770 Yesterday, 05:33 PM
    Thread: Is there such a thing as Hate Speech toward the Religious?
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And does hate speech toward "wokeism" count?  :facepalm:
Paleophyte Philosophy and Ethics 33 275 Yesterday, 05:28 PM
    Thread: A Secular Case Against Euthanasia and Assisted Suicide
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(Yesterday, 05:13 PM)Vorpal Wrote: The constant reference to Steve in the third person (while in a supposed dialogue with Steve) and the tangential references to his religion suggest participation i...
Paleophyte Philosophy and Ethics 423 3,770 Yesterday, 05:22 PM
    Thread: A Secular Case Against Euthanasia and Assisted Suicide
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(Yesterday, 04:26 PM)Vorpal Wrote: You make a good point here.  Someone can live a great life despite being quite dependent and life is suffering.  It is a matter of degree and with the exception of...
Paleophyte Philosophy and Ethics 423 3,770 Yesterday, 05:20 PM
    Thread: A Secular Case Against Euthanasia and Assisted Suicide
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(02-14-2025, 08:54 PM)SteveII Wrote: Most laws are based on deontological ethics. And here I thought that laws were based on legislation and legal precedent.
Paleophyte Philosophy and Ethics 423 3,770 02-14-2025, 09:55 PM
    Thread: A Secular Case Against Euthanasia and Assisted Suicide
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(02-14-2025, 08:37 PM)SteveII Wrote: Can a downs syndrome person have a "good" life? Can a paraplegic veteran have a "good" life? Can a pastor, husband, father who died in his 50s from cancer, who ...
Paleophyte Philosophy and Ethics 423 3,770 02-14-2025, 09:49 PM
    Thread: A Secular Case Against Euthanasia and Assisted Suicide
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(02-14-2025, 08:43 PM)SteveII Wrote: (02-14-2025, 08:32 PM)Paleophyte Wrote: Society of course. Who else?  Are you suggesting that we should arbitrarily curtail individual rights without good rea...
Paleophyte Philosophy and Ethics 423 3,770 02-14-2025, 09:47 PM
    Thread: A Secular Case Against Euthanasia and Assisted Suicide
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(02-14-2025, 08:19 PM)SteveII Wrote: (02-14-2025, 05:22 PM)Paleophyte Wrote: The correct answer is "Why should we tolerate a society that takes choices away?" It clearly can and has. It's simply ...
Paleophyte Philosophy and Ethics 423 3,770 02-14-2025, 08:32 PM
    Thread: A Secular Case Against Euthanasia and Assisted Suicide
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(02-14-2025, 08:08 PM)SteveII Wrote: First, it's not begging the question if there are good reason why preserving life is part of a doctor's essential duties. • Consequentialist argument: A medical...
Paleophyte Philosophy and Ethics 423 3,770 02-14-2025, 08:28 PM
    Thread: A Secular Case Against Euthanasia and Assisted Suicide
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So let's talk about the elephant in the room. What exactly are you proposing instead of MAID? I think that you'll find that problematic.
Paleophyte Philosophy and Ethics 423 3,770 02-14-2025, 06:15 PM
    Thread: A Secular Case Against Euthanasia and Assisted Suicide
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(02-14-2025, 05:46 PM)SteveII Wrote: You throw around terms like "unendurable suffering" when it is an infinitesimal percentage of human experience that can be truly described that way. By what metr...
Paleophyte Philosophy and Ethics 423 3,770 02-14-2025, 06:01 PM
    Thread: A Secular Case Against Euthanasia and Assisted Suicide
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(02-14-2025, 04:55 PM)SteveII Wrote: My "position" is that the data speaks for itself: there is a dramatic shift in the reasons One that isn't demonstrated by the data. Quote:and we should believe ...
Paleophyte Philosophy and Ethics 423 3,770 02-14-2025, 05:30 PM
    Thread: A Secular Case Against Euthanasia and Assisted Suicide
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(02-14-2025, 05:10 PM)SteveII Wrote: (02-14-2025, 02:56 PM)Paleophyte Wrote: You can stop arguing for sanctity of life wearing a mustache. It won't fly here. As Danu states, you need to consider t...
Paleophyte Philosophy and Ethics 423 3,770 02-14-2025, 05:22 PM
    Thread: A Secular Case Against Euthanasia and Assisted Suicide
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(02-14-2025, 03:01 PM)SteveII Wrote: (02-14-2025, 02:20 PM)Paleophyte Wrote: Suffering which the patient cannot endure. How does that need clarification? But the MAID standard is 'unwilling to end...
Paleophyte Philosophy and Ethics 423 3,770 02-14-2025, 03:07 PM
    Thread: A Secular Case Against Euthanasia and Assisted Suicide
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(02-14-2025, 02:52 PM)SteveII Wrote: (02-14-2025, 02:18 PM)Paleophyte Wrote: Looking at the data from Oregon, we find no significant change in the reasons provided by patients over time (page 14)....
Paleophyte Philosophy and Ethics 423 3,770 02-14-2025, 03:02 PM
    Thread: A Secular Case Against Euthanasia and Assisted Suicide
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(02-14-2025, 02:41 PM)SteveII Wrote: (02-14-2025, 12:44 AM)Dānu Wrote: Post #191 doesn't add anything that hasn't been answered in the post to which you are replying.  As to your OP: #1 Inherent ...
Paleophyte Philosophy and Ethics 423 3,770 02-14-2025, 02:56 PM
    Thread: A Secular Case Against Euthanasia and Assisted Suicide
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(02-14-2025, 02:11 PM)SteveII Wrote: (02-14-2025, 02:00 PM)Paleophyte Wrote: And when suffering becomes unmanageable, untreatable, and unendurable? What then? Define "unendurable." Suffering which...
Paleophyte Philosophy and Ethics 423 3,770 02-14-2025, 02:20 PM