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Dangerous Dogs - Do Owners Care? - SYZ - 01-15-2025 Here in Australia, there's been another horrific dog attack on a young child playing on the beach at a popular tourist and surfing location. A veterinarian and dog behavioural specialist believes a Rottweiler which inflicted serious injuries on the four-year-old girl should not have been allowed to roam free, despite the beach allowing off-lead dogs. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-15/rottweiler-attack-expert-criticies-off-lead-move/104820064 The dog was euthanised yesterday, rightfully. The Australian Institute of Health and Welfare reported more than 9,000 injury hospitalisations were caused by dogs between 2021 and 2022. The highest risk age group for dog bites is the between the ages of three and five and under eight. Dogs identify things by smell predominantly, and children under the age of eight haven't developed sweat glands yet, which means they do not smell like us. "I've been a veterinarian for 20 years and Rottweilers are the breed of dog that I trust the least", a local vet said. Australia has a ban on aggressive dog breeds that were specifically bred for fighting. Importing these breeds to Australia is not permitted by law. Nor is their owning or breeding. Dog breeds that are banned in Australia are: • Pit Bull Terrier breeds, including American Pit Bull Terrier • Dogo Argentino • Fila Brasileiro • Japanese Tosa • Perro de Presa Canario or Presa Canario The ban also extends to mix breeds of these breeds and to dogs that display any visible characteristics of the breeds mentioned above. RE: Dangerous Dogs - Do Owners Care? - brewerb - 01-15-2025 (01-15-2025, 01:03 PM)SYZ Wrote: Here in Australia, there's been another horrific dog Yes, bad/ignorant owner who was not properly educated, I doubt the dog was trained either. bold: Kids don't have sweat glands? ![]() RE: Dangerous Dogs - Do Owners Care? - KingEric - 01-15-2025 The responsibility lies with the owner in these situations but I imagine that it would be difficult to prove any wrong doing. Even if the owner knew that the dog had aggressive tendencies it would be easy to deny and pretend that it was out of character. I never let my dog off lead when we're out and about even though I trust him and think that he's soft as a brush. RE: Dangerous Dogs - Do Owners Care? - brewerb - 01-15-2025 My position, for most owners with dogs, being off leash in public should be a rare occurrence. When off leash risks are increased for the owner/public and the dog, for any breed. Ours are always on leash unless we are working/exercising them. RE: Dangerous Dogs - Do Owners Care? - Minimalist - 01-15-2025 Our dog rescue will not place a Golden Retriever in a home with a pit bull. Nonetheless, pits are very common in AZ. They are seen as cheap home security by many. RE: Dangerous Dogs - Do Owners Care? - pattylt - 01-15-2025 The story of pit bulls breaks my heart. We’ve had three in the family and they were sweethearts and non aggressive toward any human, large or small. However, many pits were bred and trained to be viscous. They don’t always like to share space with another dog and need to always be on leash when outside the fenced yard as they go into protection mode on walks and will often attack any dogs off leash that approach. Like any breed, you need to know their tendencies and train accordingly. I currently have a beagle mix. There’s no way she can be off leash but not because of aggression…beagles follow their noses and run off at any juicy smell. She’ll approach anyone, dog or human, but has no idea how to remain near the owner. This is the exact opposite of Springer Spaniels that naturally stay by the owners side. If everyone just obeyed leash laws, we’d be done with this crap except for the rare occurrence where a dog escapes its yard….my daughters pit escaped once…it sat in front of the fence waiting to be let back in…she didn’t like it out there, I guess! Rotts are big dogs, pits are not. Both bond with the family, not one owner and yes, they can be very protective. They can also be acclimated to people to prevent the attacks they seem to be famous for. I think SYZ maybe meant that kids don’t produce adult hormones in their sweat…they certainly do sweat! They just don’t have the puberty hormones present in it. RE: Dangerous Dogs - Do Owners Care? - Minimalist - 01-15-2025 Someone once observed that "a hot stove looks exactly like a cold stove." That's the problem with pits. You can't tell from looking at them which ones are "hot" or "cold." RE: Dangerous Dogs - Do Owners Care? - Antonio - 01-15-2025 If a dog is vicious it's the owners fault 99% of the time RE: Dangerous Dogs - Do Owners Care? - Antonio - 01-15-2025 Make that 99.99% RE: Dangerous Dogs - Do Owners Care? - KingEric - 01-15-2025 It's all manor of dogs that can be dangerous even the little ones. Warning that the link includes pictures of injuries. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cxwvkenr9yro RE: Dangerous Dogs - Do Owners Care? - brewerb - 01-15-2025 (01-15-2025, 06:17 PM)pattylt Wrote: I think SYZ maybe meant that kids don’t produce adult hormones in their sweat…they certainly do sweat! They just don’t have the puberty hormones present in it. It was the vet 'specialist' that claimed kids don't sweat. RE: Dangerous Dogs - Do Owners Care? - Minimalist - 01-15-2025 If a Rotty is charging at you sweating is the least of your problems. More like shitting bricks. RE: Dangerous Dogs - Do Owners Care? - pattylt - 01-15-2025 English Springers are sweet gentle dogs yet…some have turned viscous for unexplained reasons. Chihuahuas are notoriously nasty, it’s just that they’re little and easily thrown across the room. German Shepherds were trained and used as guard and attack dogs because they are easily trained. Any dog, especially if it’s hurt and in pain can become a viscous dog. It’s how they’re bred and treated that determines how gentle they are…or aren’t. Pits are very popular here in Colorado…second only to labs. Pit attacks are as rare here as lab attacks. Both have happened but it’s really rare. We don’t seem to have any cultures here that get into dog fighting. That’s often why some areas have issues with pits…those bred for dog fighting. Shows that knowing the parents is important, too. RE: Dangerous Dogs - Do Owners Care? - Antonio - 01-16-2025 Let's start by not calling them pits A cruel pastime that could only be made possibe by disfunctional humans. Imagine the horror these abused dogs must endure. RE: Dangerous Dogs - Do Owners Care? - pattylt - 01-16-2025 While I agree that the name derived from fighting in pits, it’s what they’re commonly called here by those that love them. RE: Dangerous Dogs - Do Owners Care? - Thumpalumpacus - 01-16-2025 If a dog is friendly, be friendly. If a dog is aggressive, go alpha. And if you are walking your dog leash it. RE: Dangerous Dogs - Do Owners Care? - SYZ - 01-16-2025 (01-15-2025, 01:43 PM)brewerb Wrote: ...Kids don't have sweat glands? From Nature.com... Do children have less sweat glands? Yes. However, the average size of those glands is approximately 27% smaller in children aged five to 7 years of age (this little girl was 4) compared with young adults aged eighteen to 32 years of age—causing a reduction in sweat gland output (the sweat secreted per gland). RE: Dangerous Dogs - Do Owners Care? - SYZ - 01-16-2025 (01-15-2025, 07:15 PM)Antonio Wrote: If a dog is vicious it's the owners fault 99% of the time Not so at all. This is typical of some dog breed owners' defence when the facts of genetic canine dispositions are shown to them. https://www.xinsurance.com/blog/dog-breeds-most-likely-to-bite/ The most dog bites by breed come from pit bulls, accounting for 22.5% of dog bites in the United States every year, on average. Pit bull bites also tend to cause more severe injuries than other dogs, contributing to 66% of all dog-attack-related deaths in the US between 2005 and 2019. They have a reputation for being the most violent dog breed and are often on lists of breeds people are unable to keep [as in Australia] officially defined as an "American Pit Bull Terrier", and also known as an "American Staffordshire Terrier" here. There are 47 countries globally that have a total ban on pit bulls, including the United Kingdom, New Zealand, Switzerland, Ireland, France, Italy, Denmark, and Malaysia. This says it all really. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-that-ban-pit-bulls [The map data for Australia is incorrect; there is a 100% ban nationwide.] A bit of info about nominally aggressive domestic dog breeds from a US insurance underwriter: https://www.xinsurance.com/blog/dog-breeds-most-likely-to-bite/ RE: Dangerous Dogs - Do Owners Care? - Antonio - 01-16-2025 (01-16-2025, 08:52 AM)SYZ Wrote:(01-15-2025, 07:15 PM)Antonio Wrote: If a dog is vicious it's the owners fault 99% of the time That leaves 148 countries that haven't banned certain bull dog breeds Politicians will take the path of least resistance to quell the mob . banning is a quick political solution to a complex problem I'm curious to know how many of these dog owners were studied. Dogs are not vicious towards humans by nature . It all has to due with training and socializing Bull dogs are strong easily trained dogs. In the hands of ignorant dysfunctional human bad things can happen. There are ways to solve the problem. But tha would involve a sincere approach RE: Dangerous Dogs - Do Owners Care? - brewerb - 01-16-2025 When owners don't want to be part of the solution, bans are put in place. RE: Dangerous Dogs - Do Owners Care? - Antonio - 01-17-2025 If you read the data from the first link that SYZ posted will see that pitbull is not a breed . It's a group of dogs specifically trained to be aggressive and fighting dogs. They go on to say abuse and mistreatment that these fighting dogs endure causes them to bite humans.Pitbull aggression is largely due their living conditions. Read it for yourself. This banning of pitbulls does notthing except humor a few constitutes. Do you really think the lowlife fucks won't use another breed of dog for their ends. Owner's fault 99.9% RE: Dangerous Dogs - Do Owners Care? - SYZ - 01-17-2025 (01-17-2025, 12:05 AM)Antonio Wrote: If you read the data from the first link that SYZ posted will see that pitbull is not a breed . It's a group of dogs specifically trained LOL... oh dear! Of course the so-called pit bull is a "breed". I'm not going to debate this with you Antonio, other than to say your claims are incorrect from an Australian breeding definition that officially defines the so-called pit bull as an "American Pit Bull Terrier", and also known as an "American Staffordshire Terrier". Your claims that family-owned, domesticated pit bulls in Australia were (before their banning) "specifically trained to be aggressive and fighting dogs" is without any evidence supporting that absurd claim. It's more than obvious you know little to nothing about the breeds or breeding of dogs, their genetic dispositions, or their training or lack thereof by their owners. Sorry. And again... In 2021, an Australian coroner called for dog owners to be licensed after a newborn baby was taken from the arms of his sleeping mother and mauled to death by the family pet, an American Staffordshire terrier. The five-week-old baby died from "fatal injuries", including puncture wounds to his chest inflicted by the dog. The parents fell asleep in the living room of their home after feeding the baby boy. The father told police he woke to his partner holding their son's body in her hands while saying "the dog's got the baby". Police found "blood on the snout of the dog"—which was later euthanased. The inquest heard the six-year-old dog was known to the local council, having been accused of killing a neighbour's dog four weeks earlier. RE: Dangerous Dogs - Do Owners Care? - Antonio - 01-17-2025 https://animalfoundation.com/whats-going-on/blog/pitbull-breed#:~:text=Pitbulls%20%28or%20Pit%20Bulls%29%20are%20perhaps%20the%20most,ill-defined%20type%20of%20dog%2C%20rather%20than%20a%20breed. Pitbulls aren’t a breed at all Pitbulls (or Pit Bulls) are perhaps the most misunderstood and misidentified of all dog breeds and there is a good reason for this – pitbulls aren’t a breed at all! The term “pit bull” refers to an ill-defined type of dog, rather than a breed. RE: Dangerous Dogs - Do Owners Care? - Minimalist - 01-17-2025 I've seen both sides of pits. There is something about them where they can completely lose it in the blink of an eye. Everytime there was a dust up at a dog park there was a pit at the bottom of it. Our rescue now suggests NOT bringing Goldens to dog parks. Too much can go wrong. I really sympathize with the Pit Bull Rescue - they have one hell of a job. RE: Dangerous Dogs - Do Owners Care? - Antonio - 01-17-2025 SYZ ,I must say your manipulative posts are concerning . Attack ,misrepresent and claim others are ignorant. |