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Belief in Miracles Confirms Brain Death? - SYZ - 05-24-2024
I find the following report almost impossible to believe in
that what it describes sounds like something from the
16th century, before the advanced development of the
sciences. I also find it hard to accept that so many people
apparently listen to the senile ramblings of this stupid old
man—who apparently lacks any knowledge of science or
biology or medicine.
Pope Francis Recognises the First Millennial Saint.
The presumptive saint, teenager Carlo Acutis, died in 2006,
shortly after being diagnosed with leukaemia. (Presumably
your miraculous, saintly skills don't apply to yourself?)
The first miracle attributed to Carlo, in 2020, involved healing
young Brazilian boy Mattheus Vianna, who was unable to keep
down his food due to a serious birth defect.
According to the Catholic News Agency, Mattheus was cured
after touching a relic of Carlo's—reportedly sent by Carlo's
mother—at the Chapel of Nossa Senhora Aparecida in Brazil.
The second miracle attributed to Carlo is the healing of a woman
called Valeria, from Costa Rica, in 2022. She sustained a serious
head trauma cycling to her university in Florence.
According to Vatican News, her mother Liliana prayed at Carlo's
tomb and left a letter detailing her pleas after doctors said her
daughter had a low chance of survival. Valeria made a miraculous
recovery and was discharged from hospital in August of that year.
—It's obvious that the Pope, totally confused by the scientific
advancements made since the times of Galileo, or Da Vinci or
Copernicus has virtually no knowledge of modern science and its
abilities. Or of spontaneous remission, or drug therapy, or surgical
intervention.
The penultimate step Carlo's sainthood was his 2020 beatification,
which means the church has proclaimed he is in heaven and can plead
to God on one's behalf through prayer.
I kid you not... you can't make this bullshit up!
RE: Belief in Miracles Confirms Brain Death? - Rhythmcs - 05-24-2024
He's not confused. Sainthood is a community pr function. Too many kiddy diddling priests? Saint a local and they might call it even.
RE: Belief in Miracles Confirms Brain Death? - epronovost - 05-24-2024
(05-24-2024, 06:12 PM)SYZ Wrote: According to Vatican News, her mother Liliana prayed at Carlo's
tomb and left a letter detailing her pleas after doctors said her
daughter had a low chance of survival. Valeria made a miraculous
recovery and was discharged from hospital in August of that year.
SO a doctor said you had low chances of recovery and you got very lucky; thus it was physically impossible for you to be lucky; thus only God could have used his magical powers in an undetectable way to cure you!
Sounds legit.
RE: Belief in Miracles Confirms Brain Death? - Thumpalumpacus - 05-24-2024
(05-24-2024, 06:12 PM)SYZ Wrote: I kid you not... you can't make this bullshit up!
They sure can, though.
RE: Belief in Miracles Confirms Brain Death? - pattylt - 05-24-2024
Catholics mostly love their saints. There are several in the loop as we write. They can’t wait too long or Catholics might get discouraged that they won’t reach heaven so….bingo! A new one is announced. They have recently decided that other miracles, however, won’t likely be so quick to be declared. Too many embarrassing past episodes have been shown to be quackery, mistaken or an outright sham. It’s one thing to declare someone is in heaven cause who could prove or disprove that? But, bleeding hosts and weeping statues are able to be ananlyzed…which is why some miracles aren’t ever investigated. Embarrassing!
RE: Belief in Miracles Confirms Brain Death? - Minimalist - 05-25-2024
Catholicks who actually believe this shit are a special class of stupid.
RE: Belief in Miracles Confirms Brain Death? - pattylt - 05-25-2024
(05-25-2024, 01:16 AM)Minimalist Wrote: Catholicks who actually believe this shit are a special class of stupid.
While I agree, it amazes me that some really smart Catholics that I know fully believe all this crap. Most are cradle Catholics so it’s a lifetime of indoctrination. They just compartmentalize their religion from the rest of their brain, I guess.
RE: Belief in Miracles Confirms Brain Death? - Minimalist - 05-25-2024
Smart....but unbearably gullible, perhaps.
RE: Belief in Miracles Confirms Brain Death? - Paleophyte - 05-26-2024
Question for Pope Franky: What's this whelp's success rate? Allegedly he hit two over the wall but if the other 998 were a swing and a miss then your talent scouts might want to look elsewhere. Funny how you never hear about the prayers that go unanswered.
RE: Belief in Miracles Confirms Brain Death? - Cavebear - 05-26-2024
(05-26-2024, 01:48 AM)Paleophyte Wrote: Question for Pope Franky: What's this whelp's success rate? Allegedly he hit two over the wall but if the other 998 were a swing and a miss then your talent scouts might want to look elsewhere. Funny how you never hear about the prayers that go unanswered.
SCOUTING REPORT". God's swing rate at prayers seems to be unusually low. Can hit low fastballs with power but overall average is not great for even a minor league deity. Multiple-personality issues are a negative. Might suggest reconsidering Odin. Has Valhalla and all that power hitting. The Frost Giant batters seem to fear him, so he might be a good middle-inning guy. Should consider Zeus too. He has a good closer rep. Supports his other players with an arm. Allah seems to be locked into a lifetime contract with his current team. We doubt a trade is very likely.
We hear from the Hopeful Jew team that they have a good prospect forthcoming, but they won't tell us who He is yet, so trade talks are fading. There are some possible trades with the several Proper Protestant teams but they are at odds with one another and they can't seem get a multiple-player trade organized.
We suggest considering some Asian deities. They seem less organized and willing to relocate/adjust, so some advantageous deals might be made there.
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RE: Belief in Miracles Confirms Brain Death? - Thumpalumpacus - 05-26-2024
More like brain death confirms miracles, 'cause it takes a dead brain to believe that crap.
RE: Belief in Miracles Confirms Brain Death? - SYZ - 05-26-2024
This posting will hopefully attract Frank's attention, as I'd be
interested to see both his comments on prayer and its effects
in the real world—considering his belief in paranormal
phenomena such as "miracles", spiritual "visions", resurrection,
parthenogenesis, transubstantiation etc.
Intercessory prayer for those who are ill is a common religious
practice not only by individuals but also by communities of faith.
Although such prayer has much religious meaning, is there
scientific evidence that it brings about the outcomes for which
it asks?
Patients at 6 US hospitals were randomly assigned to 1 of 3 groups:
604 received intercessory prayer after being informed that they
may or may not receive prayer; 597 did not receive intercessory
prayer also after being informed that they may or may not receive
prayer; and 601 received intercessory prayer after being informed
they would receive prayer.
In the 2 groups uncertain about receiving intercessory prayer,
complications occurred in 52% of patients who received intercessory
prayer versus 51% of those who did not. Complications occurred
in 59% of patients certain of receiving intercessory prayer
compared with the 52% of those uncertain of receiving
intercessory prayer.
Conclusion: Intercessory prayer itself had no effect on
complication-free recovery from CABG, but certainty of
receiving intercessory prayer was associated with a
higher incidence of complications.
—Study of the Therapeutic Effects of Intercessory Prayer in Cardiac
Bypass Patients: Herbert Benson et al, PubMed, April 2006.