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Out Of The Desert - Archaeology Quote
Out Of The Desert? - Archaeology And The Exodus Conquest Narratives
William H. Steibing Jr.
 
Prometheis Books - Buffalo New York 1989
ISBN 0-87975-505-0


Obviouisly archaeological evidence no longer supports the historical
accuracy of the Biblical conquest narratives, and the only way to change
that fact is to find archaeological placement other than the late bronze
age.  But as we have seen in Chapter 4, no other archaeological period
seems to fit the biblical evidence much better.  So despite its past
popularity, the Conquest model seems doomed among scholars.
Page 153

As we have seen, there is no archaeological indication that a number of
outsiders, other than the Philistines and related Sea Peoples, settled in
Canaan during the Late Bronze Age.  The biblical tradition which says
that large numbers of former Egyptian slaves that had been living in the
desert fringes of Sinai invaded Canaan, destroyed most the Canaanite
cities, and occupied the land - is probably not historical.Peaceful
-infiltration hypotheses. which derive the Israelite tribes from true
desert nomads or from seminomadic groups entering Canaan from outside,
also seem to be unsatisfactory.
Page 189

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I finally found my copy of this book.  It is a truly thorough examination of the archaeological evidence of the Exodus-Joshua-Judges claims of the Bible.  Too bad it is now out of print.  This book has a truly great bibliography listing huge numbers of archaeological works and studies on the Bible and its historicity.
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https://books.google.com/books/about/Out...1oOgAACAAJ
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This went over like a lead balloon when Professor Herzog published it in Haaretz in 1999!

http://www.umich.edu/~proflame/neh/arch.htm

Quote:Following 70 years of intensive excavations in the Land of Israel, archaeologists have found out: The patriarchs' acts are legendary, the Israelites did not sojourn in Egypt or make an exodus, they did not conquer the land. Neither is there any mention of the empire of David and Solomon, nor of the source of belief in the God of Israel. These facts have been known for years, but Israel is a stubborn people and nobody wants to hear about it
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Professor Eric Cline has a great book out about the collapse of the Late Bronze Age civilizations called "1177 BC."

The book is great but even this isn't bad.

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Well? Don't leave us hanging.
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There was a dry era where agriculture failed in many areas of the world, such as Egypt Entire civilizations collapsed. Egypt, the Hittites, the Greeks. 80 years of bad climate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Bronze_Age_collapse

Drought

Speculation of drought as a cause in the collapse of the Late Bronze Age has been targeted in research studies.

In acquaintance to the driest event of the Late Bronze Age, tree cover around the Mediterranean forest dwindled. Reports show of migration during the end of the Late Bronze Age. Scientists state that the contraction of the Mediterranean forest was because of drought and not of domestication.

In the Dead Sea region (Israel and Jordan), levels of water height dropped by more than 50 meters. According to the geography of that region, for water levels to drop so drastically the amount of rain the surrounding mountains got was dismal.[41]
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(06-18-2020, 01:14 AM)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: Well? Don't leave us hanging.

Systems collapse.  Watch the video.  Cline is a good speaker.
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BTW, in support of Charlie's point, the Early Bronze Age superpowers, the Akkadian Empire in Sumeria and Old Kingdom Egypt collapsed some 4,200 years ago due to a massive drought which lasted for 100 years.

Cline produces evidence for drought and earthquakes which led to civil unrest and gave rise to the Sea Peoples who overran most of the Eastern Mediterranean c 1200 BC.
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(06-18-2020, 01:46 PM)Minimalist Wrote:   Watch the video. 

Nope. Deadpan Coffee Drinker
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I can't cure lazy.
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Snakes, why did it have to be snakes?
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(06-19-2020, 08:29 AM)no one Wrote: Snakes, why did it have to be snakes?

"Indy, why is the floor ... moving?" Aggravated
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(06-17-2020, 09:39 PM)Minimalist Wrote: This went over like a lead balloon when Professor Herzog published it in Haaretz in 1999!

http://www.umich.edu/~proflame/neh/arch.htm

Quote:Following 70 years of intensive excavations in the Land of Israel, archaeologists have found out: The patriarchs' acts are legendary, the Israelites did not sojourn in Egypt or make an exodus, they did not conquer the land. Neither is there any mention of the empire of David and Solomon, nor of the source of belief in the God of Israel. These facts have been known for years, but Israel is a stubborn people and nobody wants to hear about it

A few years ago archaeologists uncovered what may have been king Solomon's famous horse stables which the Bible claims held 40,000 horses.  The structure they found which may be horse stables held more like 400 horses, if that.   Archaeologist, Israel Finkelstein found what might have been King Davids "palace" which turned out to be more like a simple stone building out in the middle of fucking nowhere which was surrounded by several tumble down shacks.    If it was David's home he was just a guy who owned a few more goats than anyone else in town and therefore he was the big man on the block. The bible is a bunch of embellished family stories told over generations to bolster the moral of the Hebrew tribes. 

The only difference between the Hebrew tribal stories and let's say, the American Indian tribal stories, is that instead of weaving the stories into blankets or on stone pectroglyphs the Hebrew tribe wrote the stories down, and lucky for them, they picked up the ability to write from surrounding cultures who created an alphabet.
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We actually have no evidence that any of this shit was written down until the 3d century BC - when it was written down by Greeks..into Greek.

Xhristards usually lose their minds when told of that.
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Some more William H. Steibing Jr. for you all

Ancient Near Eastern History and Culture
William H. Stiebing Jr. and Susan N. Helft

Third edition published 2018
Routledge New York
ISBN 978-1-138-68641-0

So, many leading archaeologists and biblical scholars have abandoned the
traditional views of an Israelite conquest (as described in the Book of
Joshua). Instead, they have adopted theories that indicate that during the
era that the Bible later claimed was the time of theJudges, Israel was
created in the Palestinian hill country primarily out of groups of people
who were already native to Canaan and/or the Transjordanian region
(Finkelstein 1988; Dever 1992, 2003).
Page 496-7

The most widely contested biblical tradition is the Israelite
account of the Exodus from Egypt and the conquest of the land
of Israel. Today, most would agree that the Israelites never
experienced bondage and escape from Egypt the way it is
described in the Pentateuch. On the one hand, the narrative
of how Moses led the Israelites out of Egypt and to the borders
of Canaan contains many discrepancies and elements of folklore.
It includes the literary trope of the deserted infant destined
for greatness, miraculous events, and a highly exaggerated
number of participants—the number of people involved was almost
certainly very much smaller than the 600,000 adult males, of
a total population of about 2 million, given in Numbers 1 and
26. In addition, none of the particulars of the Exodus story
have been confirmed by archaeology. The Exodus most likely
occurred sometime in the Late Bronze Age (c. 1550–1150 BCE).
However, there are no Egyptian records that mention the
Israelites inEgypt or any kind of conflict with them, and
archaeologists have turned up no artifacts from this era
anywhere in Sinai except for Egyptian ones at the mines at
Serabit el-Khadim and Timnah or the Egyptian way stations
along the Mediterranean coastal road. There are also no signs
of Late Bronze Age occupation at Kadesh Barnea, Arad, Heshbon,
or Dibon (assuming we have identified them correctly), sites
that play important parts in the Exodus and Numbers accounts
(Stiebing 1989: 66–78).
Page 495
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In the year 4208, archaeologists will likely have to disprove the existence of Iron Man, Captain America, and the Hulk.
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(06-21-2020, 11:23 PM)Alan V Wrote: In the year 4208, archaeologists will likely have to disprove the existence of Iron Man, Captain America, and the Hulk.

We have tons of evidence!!!!! Aggravated
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Quote:The Exodus most likely occurred sometime in the Late Bronze Age (c. 1550–1150 BCE).

The precise time period when Egypt maintained hegemony over Canaan and much of Syria.  It was the height of the New Kingdom empire under Thutmoses III, the greatest commander in Egyptian history.  Thurmoses reigned from 1458-1425 BCE and in addition, it happens to coincide with the various texts of the Amarna Library which give us a highly detailed account of conditions in Canaan during the 14th century BC reigns of Amenhotep III and Amenhotep IV, now better known as Akhenaten.  These accounts, which do not mention any group of fuckers known as "Israelites" demonstrate the extent of Egyptian control over Canaan.

So, the Exodus and Conquest stories are basically horseshit.
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Ya, no shit. The Exodus texts from internal dating, 430 years in captivity, years from Solomons building the temple, and other clues say Late Bronze Age. But that does not work. The utter lack of Egyptians in Moses and Joshua's Canaan points to post Rameses VI, but the hilltop farms were established then, it is all obviously not history. It is sad seeing on Amazon the books peddling the claim archaeology proves the bible is true.
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Israel Finkelstein gives the late 7th century BC as the time for composition of the original tales.  He bases this on the fact that it was at this point in history, c 610 BC, that the Assyrian Empire was collapsing due to the revolt of Babylon.  Their allies, the 26th Dynasty  of Egypt came to their assistance and in the course of their march came into contact with the region of Judah.  The Judahites with perhaps a better appreciation of the strategic situation than the Egyptians, threw in with the Babylonians but the Egyptians, or more likely the faction which favored them, overthrew the pro-Babylonian faction and that ended Judah's dreams of glory.  Finkelstein's point being that the Judahites were eager to expand into the areas abandoned by the Assyrians whereas the Egyptians were eager to regain control over their historic empire in Canaan.  At no other point in the entire first millennium BC were Egypt and Judah competing  for the same territory at the same time.

In addition Egyptologist Donald Redford has reached the same conclusion about the late 7th century BC by using a completely different line of evidence based on the activities of the 26th Dynasty.

Curiously, the bible (2 Kings 23) suggests that King Josiah went to meet Necho at Megiddo and Necho killed him.  The Book of Chronicles seems to invent a battle so that Josiah could die more gloriously than being murdered.  Whatever.

The Egyptians do not seem to know that they won a battle that day.  They did (along with the Assyrians) subsequently get their asses kicked by the Babylonians at Carchemish.
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