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The Quran is a book of white magic.
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The Quran is a book of white magic.
I posted this on another forum and I thought I would share my view on magic.

Salam

Quran is a book of ultimately white magic.  Salah is suppose to be a form of white magic. Halal itself is a continuous ritual to be on guard of impure energy but suppose to make us distrust even more so sources of knowledge from other then God's book and his Appointed authorities. Prophets were White sorcerers but their sorcery was not naturally acquired, but rather, directly sustained power infused from revelation and guidance and sustenance from God "You did not throw when you threw but God threw".

Of course, when disbelievers meant Mohammad (s) was possessed or sorcerer, they meant it in the view, that his miracles were either performed by natural power acquired that even an evil person can acquire or that his miracles were done by demons and he was possessed by them and doesn't even realize what is happening.

There is more on this topic because miracles will return when Imam Mahdi (a) comes back in the open.

Part of defeating sorcery of the dark kind is getting connected to the tree of light and word of light brought out by God by which he establishes the believers. In fact, this is the main way and this is what is meant by the name of God.

Quran is a book of magic, if not read with white magic, it will not heal.  It becomes a healing mainly when force of will seeks help and Angels use it to heal darkness.

The Prayers in Saheefa Sajidaya are calculated keeping in mind this reality and compliment the Quran, and there is but a one or two mistakes that oppose the Quran in Saheefa Sajjadiya but over all definitely from Imam Zainal Abideen (a) and is a book of magic.

The Du'as of Ahlulbayt are meant to be white magically done.

And in fact, no du'a is accepted without some action by the doer. What is meant by that, is some white magic.

The difference in Islam, white magic includes retribution vengeance type magic, but only does, using the light.

While polytheists source of energy comes from evil tree of hell, the tree of envy, and who's branches is like that of the heads of the devils.

So their energy is two different things. Our happiness and their happiness may appear the same, our hate and their hate appear biologically same,  our good deeds and their good deeds appear to be one, and our love and their love of Creator one and the same, but this is what you need to realize,  energy and sustenance stemming from other then the name of God is evil through and through and dark are the pathways that lead away from God, be they appear outwardly to be the same.

The name of God is God's chosen rope and the household of time,  and the word of light. You are connected to it but chances since you don't see Ahlulbayt (a) through out it's pages, you've made a mountain of Iblis' power and main a gnat of the position of the Nabi(s) and Fatma (a) and the 12 Successors (a).

And for this reason, despite Imam's (a) power and Ahlulbayt (a) being more powerful now then any other age, and despite all the blessings of God's power and skills,  God cannot guide you, because you cling to Satanic tree.

This is what Quran means that the hard hearts follow the sorcery upon Quran, they are overpowered and see Satan over power them, and believe in his power, but don't guard or fight against it, nor pray to God nor fight off the sorcery with the soul's sword nor seek help from God's rope nor seek the family of the reminder for signs in the hidden and open world, and as a result perish.

And as for the verse "and were it that the Quran....and that the dead be talked to...", this is what Quran can do, it can even unveil you that you talk to the dead from history and see all dead souls, and it has that power per our hadiths, the Quran does.

The dead in hell don't believe in hell as they should, just like the disbelievers in this world are in hell, but don't acknowledge it.  The full reality and clear truth will be on the day of judgment.

And dead of disbelievers don't cease to disbelieve in Iblis after their death nor stop in serving him but rather further are immersed in a new type of falsehood, and the war between good and evil intensifies even there, but in different ways.

The day when proof without doubt possible, is the day of judgment, that's it. Even Mahdi (a) and Jesus (a) coming back, they will be accused of being sorcerers or possessed humans.

Demonic powers are limited and can't create reality, only distort it, can't bring into anything, just illusions of what the truth is, can't give power, only motivate out of dark energy and envy, can't teach the truth and guide towards it, but just immerse you in falsehood.

And Iblis (la) doesn't believe in God and believes,  deeply he knows the God of the chosen ones is true, but has even deceived himself that he is false, and false sky and illusion created by the chosen ones.

The damn creature believes he is good and has a case. He believes in the moral and way, but from another perspective, does not.

He has layered the world in deception, and their excuse of putting a sorcery to keep people from Ahlulbayt (a), is that people would be fools and follow these sorcerers, and believe Quran is created in synergy with magic, and so their excuse to hiding the truth of it, is that the people are not ready to understand sorcery and all it exposes.

And as for majority of Gog and Magog, they are deceived, in believing, Mohammad (a) was from a family of sorcerers and rebelled against them.

Abu Lahab was the Gog of his time, and so this is not fully wrong. What they don't understand, is that God raised him among the sorcerers of Arabia and Jinn worshipers, in the same way, he did so with hiding Moses' among Pharoah's people.

Mohammad (s) in a early age, was guided by Elyas (a) and he told him not to read a single book, despite Mohammad (s) thirst for knowledge and his awareness of God's family of the reminder. He and this is paraphrasing what I know of Quran, was told, "Oh Mohammad we know your heart is a seeker of truth and guide towards it, but you must be silent and must be patient and not read books and God will relieve you because this will help one day build your case when you receive the revelation"

It's a lie that Mohammad (s) was surprised and ran to Khadija (a) when revelation came, and doubted himself, rather, he heard Satan cry and Ali (a) was with him, and heard him and saw him as well, and Mohammad (s) said to Ali (a) "You hear all that I hear and you see all that I see, except you aren't a Nabi and verily you are a vizier and you are on good".

To believe Mohammad (s) wasn't aware of the dark energy, wasn't rational enough to see Satan and believe in Jesus (a) and his precedessors (a) is a big lie, rather Quran shows, that he sought the family of the reminder, and was guided by them before his Prophethood.

Mohammad (s) was never blind to reality,  he chose not to read books, to prove a case.  He neither read books of Christians or Jews nor sorcery of Abu Lahab and the likes, before revelation came to him permitting him to read.

And despite this, they accused the Quran of being a product of a group reciting it to him and teaching it, by that, they meant a group of Bani-Hashim who were now rebelling against the order of the gathering of Jinn and Humans, and breaking the ancient order.

They meant Mohammad (s) was pretending, and these people forged the Quran, and taught him sorcery, and taught him all of it.

Of course, this is despite, that the fact, Quranic verses were circumstantially revealed, and Quran was made over time, without order we see today. Rather, even verses were revealed in Meccan Surahs near the end of Prophet's (a) life, and early verses were revealed who would be put in context of what is mostly Madini verses.

And aside from that,  the Quran proves it's case, but this was the height of their accusations. First they accused a person teaching him who was not Arabic, then moved it to that. That is why Suratal Furqan is so important to understand with regards to God's path.

And white magic is the only way to defeat the dark magic, and so there must be a book of white magic from God and proof for it, and the Quran is a book that even the dark sorcerers make use of, and learn of it's ways.

They understand it better then Muslims, but are immersed in their own world.  And they will bring their view, when there is no Muslim aware of their view of magic and the Quran in this respect.

And we are approaching this. And this why they attack anyone becoming aware of them from Muslims and attack him with demonic forces, and watch every step taken by a person reading Quran to keep him blind.

You are to awaken to the world as it is, and not what they wish to hide from humanity. Atheism is a joke of all jokes, and it's no wonder Quran just addresses mainly as 2 birds in one stone to prove Tawheed and that, but it's not something to take seriously.

The world we live in, and all deeds, and all you will, is an act of magic, and evil deeds have an evil form due to that link to the tree of envy of hell, and good deeds have a good form due to the link to the word of God brought to life, the pure word, the tree of life.

God is the greatest one to be sought and helps by the means that connects us to him firmly.

The light lives and the leader is a white magician who power is directly sustained by God.  What disbelievers meant by magic of course, was, that he was demon possessed.

And this is war in the hidden world Iblis and his top forces on one hand, and Gabriel and Michael on the other hand.

And Gabriel calls to the King of time, the light, the leader, the Mahdi (a). And Michael calls to Gabriel.

And Gabriel forces need us to believe, and Michael forces, have it hardest, because they aren't working with good people, but are there to spread God's Compassion and make of the battle of good deeds and protect against evil deeds.

And all their power is linked to the root light the word of God, the tree of life, the Ahlulbayt (a) and the Angels ascend and descent from the house of time, the family of the reminder, who are the sky and starts of guidance - the place of safety and greatest weapons which we must get connected to.

There is no doubt Quran is mainly and focused on the true nature of magic and shows how look towards the stars of guidance and get connected by Mohammad (s) and his family (a) to God.
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The Quran is a book of white magic.
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The Quran is a book of white magic.
(06-07-2020, 05:46 AM)Link Wrote: I posted this on another forum and I thought I would share my view on magic.

Salam

There is no doubt Quran is mainly and focused on the true nature of magic and shows how look towards the stars of guidance and get connected by Mohammad (s) and his family (a) to God.

Magic in any form other sleight-of-hand is all crap. I don't care whether it is Islam, Christian, Hindu, whatever the whole idea is crap.

Crap, Crap, Crap, Crap.

It is all imaginary nonsense and anyone how believes in the general concept is an utter idiot. Just wanted you to make sure how I think about theist crap.
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The Quran is a book of white magic.
(06-07-2020, 06:00 AM)Cavebear Wrote:
(06-07-2020, 05:46 AM)Link Wrote: I posted this on another forum and I thought I would share my view on magic.

Salam

There is no doubt Quran is mainly and focused on the true nature of magic and shows how look towards the stars of guidance and get connected by Mohammad (s) and his family (a) to God.

Magic in any form other sleight-of-hand is all crap.  I don't care whether it is Islam, Christian, Hindu, whatever the whole idea is crap.

Crap, Crap, Crap, Crap.

It is all imaginary nonsense and anyone how believes in the general concept is an utter idiot.  Just wanted you to make sure how I think about theist crap.
Theists disbelieve in all deities but one.  I just disbelieve in one less.
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The Quran is a book of white magic.
(06-07-2020, 06:00 AM)Cavebear Wrote:
(06-07-2020, 05:46 AM)Link Wrote: I posted this on another forum and I thought I would share my view on magic.

Salam

There is no doubt Quran is mainly and focused on the true nature of magic and shows how look towards the stars of guidance and get connected by Mohammad (s) and his family (a) to God.

Magic in any form other than sleight-of-hand is all crap.  I don't care whether it is Islam, Christian, Hindu, whatever the whole idea is crap.

Crap, Crap, Crap, Crap.

It is all imaginary nonsense and anyone who believes in the general concept is an utter idiot.  Just wanted you to make sure how I think about theist crap.
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The Quran is a book of white magic.
Islam is undoubtedly magical thinking.

Quote:Wikipedia

Magical thinking or superstitious thinking is the belief that unrelated events are causally connected despite the absence of any plausible causal link between them, particularly as a result of supernatural effects. Examples include the idea that personal thoughts can influence the external world without acting on them, or that objects must be causally connected if they resemble each other or came in contact with each other in the past. Magical thinking is a type of fallacious thinking and is a common source of invalid causal inferences. Unlike the confusion of correlation with causation, magical thinking does not require the events to be correlated.

The precise definition of magical thinking may vary subtly when used by different theorists or among different fields of study. In anthropology (the earliest research), the posited causality is between religious ritual, prayer, sacrifice, or the observance of a taboo, and an expected benefit or recompense. Later research indicates that magical thinking is also common in modern societies.

This ties back to what I posted about Occasionalism in another discussion. If Occasionalism was true, then magical thinking could work. Unfortunately for Muslims, by definition there is no evidence to show Occasionalism is true.
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The Quran is a book of white magic.
(06-07-2020, 10:01 AM)Alan V Wrote: Islam is undoubtedly magical thinking.

Quote:Wikipedia

Magical thinking or superstitious thinking is the belief that unrelated events are causally connected despite the absence of any plausible causal link between them, particularly as a result of supernatural effects. Examples include the idea that personal thoughts can influence the external world without acting on them, or that objects must be causally connected if they resemble each other or came in contact with each other in the past. Magical thinking is a type of fallacious thinking and is a common source of invalid causal inferences. Unlike the confusion of correlation with causation, magical thinking does not require the events to be correlated.

The precise definition of magical thinking may vary subtly when used by different theorists or among different fields of study. In anthropology (the earliest research), the posited causality is between religious ritual, prayer, sacrifice, or the observance of a taboo, and an expected benefit or recompense. Later research indicates that magical thinking is also common in modern societies.

This ties back to what I posted about Occasionalism in another discussion.  If Occasionalism was true, then magical thinking could work.  Unfortunately for Muslims, by definition there is no evidence to show Occasionalism is true.

I'm not sure how old I was at the time, but I do recall my Mom being surprised when I asked if she wanted help wrapping presents "from Santa" for my younger siblings at Xmas and helping dye and hide Easter eggs the following Spring. I do know she thought I was young for that realization. Well, I always was the "questioning child".
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The Quran is a book of white magic.
Religious people who try to "spread the good word" through repeating verses or ideas from their holy books really do believe such efforts will have some magical effect on others, and if they don't it's because of the evil nature of those others. They really do believe in magic.
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The Quran is a book of white magic.
(06-07-2020, 10:45 AM)Alan V Wrote: Religious people who try to "spread the good word" through repeating verses or ideas from their holy books really do believe such efforts will have some magical effect on others, and if they don't it's because of the evil nature of those others.  They really do believe in magic.

I do really understand that. They BELIEVE! But that doesn't mean I have to. And it doesn't mean I owe them any respect. They think I should burn in Hell forever in pain through eternity. And I owe them "politeness"? Get real. LOL!
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The Quran is a book of white magic.
(06-07-2020, 05:46 AM)Link Wrote: While polytheists source of energy comes from evil tree of hell, the tree of envy, and who's branches is like that of the heads of the devils.

So their energy is two different things. Our happiness and their happiness may appear the same, our hate and their hate appear biologically same,  our good deeds and their good deeds appear to be one, and our love and their love of Creator one and the same, but this is what you need to realize,  energy and sustenance stemming from other then the name of God is evil through and through and dark are the pathways that lead away from God, be they appear outwardly to be the same.

This kind of thinking is the source of the hatred of others within the Islamic community, so it's no wonder we atheists take exception to it.
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The Quran is a book of white magic.
(06-07-2020, 10:58 AM)Alan V Wrote:
(06-07-2020, 05:46 AM)Link Wrote: So their energy is two different things. Our happiness and their happiness may appear the same, our hate and their hate appear biologically same,  our good deeds and their good deeds appear to be one, and our love and their love of Creator one and the same, but this is what you need to realize,  energy and sustenance stemming from other then the name of God is evil through and through and dark are the pathways that lead away from God, be they appear outwardly to be the same.

This kind of thinking is the source of the hatred of others within the Islamic community, so it's no wonder we atheists take exception to it.

I argue against the thoughts of all theists for that very reason. As similar as they are, they all hate each other with an abiding passion. There is no point to this nonsense. I just think they they are all superstitious twits. I not only don't want any of them to burn in hell (ZZI'm tempted sometimes), just stop being superstitious childlike fools.
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The Quran is a book of white magic.
(06-07-2020, 10:01 AM)Alan V Wrote: Islam is undoubtedly magical thinking.

Quote:Wikipedia

Magical thinking or superstitious thinking is the belief that unrelated events are causally connected despite the absence of any plausible causal link between them, particularly as a result of supernatural effects. Examples include the idea that personal thoughts can influence the external world without acting on them, or that objects must be causally connected if they resemble each other or came in contact with each other in the past. Magical thinking is a type of fallacious thinking and is a common source of invalid causal inferences. Unlike the confusion of correlation with causation, magical thinking does not require the events to be correlated.

The precise definition of magical thinking may vary subtly when used by different theorists or among different fields of study. In anthropology (the earliest research), the posited causality is between religious ritual, prayer, sacrifice, or the observance of a taboo, and an expected benefit or recompense. Later research indicates that magical thinking is also common in modern societies.

This ties back to what I posted about Occasionalism in another discussion.  If Occasionalism was true, then magical thinking could work.  Unfortunately for Muslims, by definition there is no evidence to show Occasionalism is true.

While true, it's worth pointing out that there are other possible explanations for magic than Occasionalism, and indeed link cites belief in magic that is sourced in hell rather than God.
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The Quran is a book of white magic.
(06-07-2020, 11:45 AM)Dānu Wrote:
(06-07-2020, 10:01 AM)Alan V Wrote: Islam is undoubtedly magical thinking.

Quote:Wikipedia

Magical thinking or superstitious thinking is the belief that unrelated events are causally connected despite the absence of any plausible causal link between them, particularly as a result of supernatural effects. Examples include the idea that personal thoughts can influence the external world without acting on them, or that objects must be causally connected if they resemble each other or came in contact with each other in the past. Magical thinking is a type of fallacious thinking and is a common source of invalid causal inferences. Unlike the confusion of correlation with causation, magical thinking does not require the events to be correlated.

The precise definition of magical thinking may vary subtly when used by different theorists or among different fields of study. In anthropology (the earliest research), the posited causality is between religious ritual, prayer, sacrifice, or the observance of a taboo, and an expected benefit or recompense. Later research indicates that magical thinking is also common in modern societies.

This ties back to what I posted about Occasionalism in another discussion.  If Occasionalism was true, then magical thinking could work.  Unfortunately for Muslims, by definition there is no evidence to show Occasionalism is true.

While true, it's worth pointing out that there are other possible explanations for magic than Occasionalism, and indeed link cites belief in magic that is sourced in hell rather than God.

There is no "hell". Nor heaven.
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The Quran is a book of white magic.
(06-07-2020, 11:45 AM)Dānu Wrote:
(06-07-2020, 10:01 AM)Alan V Wrote: This ties back to what I posted about Occasionalism in another discussion.  If Occasionalism was true, then magical thinking could work.  Unfortunately for Muslims, by definition there is no evidence to show Occasionalism is true.

While true, it's worth pointing out that there are other possible explanations for magic than Occasionalism, and indeed link cites belief in magic that is sourced in hell rather than God.

That's a good point.

Of course, I didn't say Occasionalism made sense.  In fact, I think it's the tension between believing God has all power and seeing the evil in the world that makes Muslims blame others.  For instance, Link wrote:

(06-07-2020, 05:46 AM)Link Wrote: Demonic powers are limited and can't create reality, only distort it, can't bring into anything, just illusions of what the truth is, can't give power, only motivate out of dark energy and envy, can't teach the truth and guide towards it, but just immerse you in falsehood.

He's rationalizing the inner contradictions of Islam here.  Evil can only work its magic through distorting the truth, the real source of magic.  So theists like Link must blame other people for what really isn't their fault, because the world itself isn't what they think it should be.  Again, this results in hatred of unbelievers.
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The Quran is a book of white magic.
Believers have to think we're stupid enough to buy into this bullshit.
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The Quran is a book of white magic.
(06-07-2020, 01:04 PM)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: Believers have to think we're stupid enough to buy into this bullshit.

Basically, if you can't NOT capitilize a deity, you are a superstitious theist. LOL!
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The Quran is a book of white magic.
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The Quran is a book of white magic.
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The Quran is a book of white magic.
Hey Link!

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The Quran is a book of white magic.
Not only has his cheese slid off its cracker, I think his Matzah has lost its balls.
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The Quran is a book of white magic.
(06-07-2020, 02:59 PM)Dancefortwo Wrote: Hey Link!

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[Beating a dead horse]

The theists who try the hardest are often those who understand atheism the least.
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The Quran is a book of white magic.
(06-07-2020, 03:03 PM)Alan V Wrote:
(06-07-2020, 02:59 PM)Dancefortwo Wrote: Hey Link!

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[Beating a dead horse]

The theists who try the hardest are often those who understand atheism the least.

Theists think if they proselytize long enough we'll just give in and convert.  It doesn't work that way.  He could read the Quran from one end to the other and it won't make one bit of difference.  He has to provide evidence.  The Quran, like the Bible is a book of claims.  It claims a god exist, it is not evidence a god exists.  I wish theists would understand the difference, we wouldn't have these stupid long threads.
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The Quran is a book of white magic.
To make clear my view, Allah's (swt) word of light, word that firmly establishes believers, is magical in nature. The Quran is a book of white magic, God explains in suratal Hajj there is a dark magic on it, but that God makes clear his signs and annuls what Satan cast. This means Quran and Ahlulbayt (a) are a way to counter-magic the dark magic.

Without white magic, no prayer to God is of benefit, nor Salah, and this is why "Bismallah" is most important verse and concept, because it's the heart of the white magic of Quran and Sunnah. What is meant by "a little action" with "prayer" is enough to get a response, means white magic.
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The Quran is a book of white magic.
(06-07-2020, 04:08 PM)Link Wrote: To make clear my view, Allah's (swt) word of light, word that firmly establishes believers, is magical in nature.  The Quran is a book of white magic,  God explains in suratal Hajj there is a dark magic on it, but that God makes clear his signs and annuls what Satan cast. This means Quran and Ahlulbayt (a) are a way to counter-magic the dark magic.

Without white magic, no prayer to God is of benefit, nor Salah, and this is why "Bismallah" is most important verse and concept, because it's the heart of the white magic of Quran and Sunnah. What is meant by "a little action" with "prayer" is enough to get a response, means white magic.

Hey Link, pay attention, pay attention son.  Will you shut the fuck up! 


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The Quran is a book of white magic.
A good question can be what is the difference between prayer and magic?

At the heart of it, very little, black magic is prayer to Iblis and his forces, while white magic is prayer to God through his rope and word of light brought to life.

But because people can be under illusion prayer doesn't require magic on part of the performer to work, God explained both dark and white magic in Quran, and showed not to equate the two and made clear the path of white magic.

Faith itself is white magic. Good actions are themselves white magic.

And those are act of Worship and seeking help from sustenance of God and power and light from him, which is the definition of prayer to God.

In short "dark magic" is Worship of Iblis and seeking help from the cursed tree of hell, while "white magic" requires God's anointed ones as the means, and most humans are caught between this and that, and don't even know anymore the difference between good and evil.

Quran gives insights and dispels the blindness of dark magic on all humans and Jinn with just a little or any love of loving affection type love towards the family of Mohammad (s).

Of course, if approached with hating and envying them, it is of no benefit.

They are the white sorcerers it calls to, and their magic is the healing it wishes you to seek and ask them specifically for to connect us to God.

They are the names of God by which God doesn't accept actions of his servants without recognizing.
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