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The Nobel Prize Problem
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The Nobel Prize Problem
What all the theists who get clunked about in these threads fail to consider in their tens of thousands of words of flailing arguments are two incontestable facts:

1.  No argument any of them has proffered is new, isn't some long debunked fallacy (or incoherent rant) already proffered by countless preceding hapless theists or some stale fragment of scripture also long discredited.  Whatever they toss into these threads has already been tried and found inadequate.

2.  If their argument did have genuine merit they wouldn't be hammering away at it to audiences of a few dozen in forums under pseudonyms, they'd be on the lecture circuit showing off their Nobel Prize for having successfully answered mankind's oldest unresolved question, not anonymous but world famous, and telling the pope and all the pastors, priests and bishops what for in private conferences worldwide.

There are some deluded petitioners herein who imagine the world cares enough about their particular rehashing of ancient ground that it must be maintaining a conspiracy of suppression against them, allowing them no venue but the tawdry backwaters of forums and blogs, but history consistently demonstrates otherwise;  new truths continuously overturn decayed dogmas, and when the truth is of significant stature, Nobel Prizes and other awards give recognition of the achievement.


Thus any new theist plunging into this forum should be immediately met by this question:  What are you saying that hasn't already been said, and where's your Nobel Prize for having said it?
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But -- but -- they have a special relationship.
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They have the same problem that all adults with an invisible friend have.


They are nuts.
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The only one I've heard about (Nobel Prize Problem), is that Trump doesn't have one, and ain't never gonna get one.
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#5

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According to Wikipedia, this pie chart represents the religion of Nobel Prize winners
between 1901 and 2000.

[Image: Religion_of_Nobel_Prize_winners_between_...d_2000.png]

There's one major problem though:  Wiki cites only ONE single reference for this chart.
And it's 120-page book by an author named Baruch A. Shalev titled "100 Years of Nobel Prizes"
which claims that atheists have only comprised around 10% of prize winners, while theists
account for more than 86% of winners.

But there's a damning review of Shalev's book HERE which blows the alleged religious proclivities
of Nobel winners out of the water.  Additionally, what value(?) it has is reduced by being now
17 years out of date, which is equivalent to more than 25% of its sample. The two main problems
with it are that it's totally silent about sources or methods, and that its statistical analysis never
rises above the rudimentary.
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(01-28-2020, 07:59 PM)Minimalist Wrote: They have the same problem that all adults with an invisible friend have.


They are nuts.

You're just a product of my imagination.
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Mother Fucking Teresa, a sadistic bitch who refused to provide condoms in AIDS ravenged Africa and let thousands die a painful death while boxes of unopened pain killers sat in the next room, won a Nobel Prize.  Let that sink in.
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(01-28-2020, 10:27 PM)SYZ Wrote: According to Wikipedia, this pie chart represents the religion of Nobel Prize winners
between 1901 and 2000.

[Image: Religion_of_Nobel_Prize_winners_between_...d_2000.png]

There's one major problem though:  Wiki cites only ONE single reference for this chart.
And it's 120-page book by an author named Baruch A. Shalev titled "100 Years of Nobel Prizes"
which claims that atheists have only comprised around 10% of prize winners, while theists
account for more than 86% of winners.

But there's a damning review of Shalev's book HERE which blows the alleged religious proclivities
of Nobel winners out of the water.  Additionally, what value(?) it has is reduced by being now
17 years out of date, which is equivalent to more than 25% of its sample. The two main problems
with it are that it's totally silent about sources or methods, and that its statistical analysis never
rises above the rudimentary.

According to the chart Christians, about 30% of the population, have about 65% of the Nobel Prizes. 
On the other hand Jews, about 0.2% of the population, have about 21% of the Nobel Prizes. 

A Jew is about 50 times more likely to win a Nobel Prize than a Christian. 

Checkmate Christians.  Tongue
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(01-29-2020, 03:04 AM)PopeyesPappy Wrote:
(01-28-2020, 10:27 PM)SYZ Wrote: According to Wikipedia, this pie chart represents the religion of Nobel Prize winners
between 1901 and 2000.

[Image: Religion_of_Nobel_Prize_winners_between_...d_2000.png]

There's one major problem though:  Wiki cites only ONE single reference for this chart.
And it's 120-page book by an author named Baruch A. Shalev titled "100 Years of Nobel Prizes"
which claims that atheists have only comprised around 10% of prize winners, while theists
account for more than 86% of winners.

But there's a damning review of Shalev's book HERE which blows the alleged religious proclivities
of Nobel winners out of the water.  Additionally, what value(?) it has is reduced by being now
17 years out of date, which is equivalent to more than 25% of its sample. The two main problems
with it are that it's totally silent about sources or methods, and that its statistical analysis never
rises above the rudimentary.

According to the chart Christians, about 30% of the population, have about 65% of the Nobel Prizes. 
On the other hand Jews, about 0.2% of the population, have about 21% of the Nobel Prizes. 

A Jew is about 50 times more likely to win a Nobel Prize than a Christian. 

Checkmate Christians.  Tongue

A good portion of the Jewish population is agnostic and atheist.
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(01-29-2020, 01:27 AM)Dancefortwo Wrote: Mother Fucking Teresa, a sadistic bitch who refused to provide condoms in AIDS ravenged Africa and let thousands die a painful death while boxes of unopened pain killers sat in the next room, won a Nobel Prize.  Let that sink in.

Or Barrack Obama who was overseeing two wars and increased drone strikes and spying system around the world. The Peace Prize has been awarded to people who didn't deserved it.
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Well, the Xians don't earn Nobel prizes for theology. But they do have the Templeton prizes instead.

http://www.templetonprize.org/previouswinner.html#hardy
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(01-28-2020, 06:56 PM)airportkid Wrote: What all the theists who get clunked about in these threads fail to consider in their tens of thousands of words of flailing arguments are two incontestable facts:

1.  No argument any of them has proffered is new, isn't some long debunked fallacy (or incoherent rant) already proffered by countless preceding hapless theists or some stale fragment of scripture also long discredited.  Whatever they toss into these threads has already been tried and found inadequate.

2.  If their argument did have genuine merit they wouldn't be hammering away at it to audiences of a few dozen in forums under pseudonyms, they'd be on the lecture circuit showing off their Nobel Prize for having successfully answered mankind's oldest unresolved question, not anonymous but world famous, and telling the pope and all the pastors, priests and bishops what for in private conferences worldwide.

There are some deluded petitioners herein who imagine the world cares enough about their particular rehashing of ancient ground that it must be maintaining a conspiracy of suppression against them, allowing them no venue but the tawdry backwaters of forums and blogs, but history consistently demonstrates otherwise;  new truths continuously overturn decayed dogmas, and when the truth is of significant stature, Nobel Prizes and other awards give recognition of the achievement.


Thus any new theist plunging into this forum should be immediately met by this question:  What are you saying that hasn't already been said, and where's your Nobel Prize for having said it?

I've use a variation of your second point on other sites relating to so called psychic mediums. When people insist that it's true and that medium ABCD has proven they're in contact with the dead I say that positive confirmation of life after death would be the biggest news story in human history yet all I hear are crickets chirping. Of course what they invariably mean is that they have become personally convinced and conflated or confused that with proof, usually they either shut up or become abusive both of which indicate they have no good comeback and cannot answer me, it's quite effective.
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#13

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The problem with psychics is the long history of fraud from these people. Any positive claims one might hear about them are thus, always suspect.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M._Lamar_Keene

...
In 1976, Keene co-authored The Psychic Mafia, "as told to" Allen Spraggett, a well-known Canadian writer on paranormal topics. The writer William V. Rauscher, himself a believer in psychic powers,[2] contributed a foreword and a bibliography and wrote that he had conducted 75 hours of interviews with Keene, during which Keene admitted that all of his psychic activities were done by fraudulent means. Keene revealed how he got rich by tricking thousands of people in séances (Randi 1995:135). James Randi, a professional magician, interviewed Keene in 1977, and discovered that Keene was quite unsophisticated in fooling people with magic, but Keene explained that his spiritualist clients were easy to fool (Randi 1982:246). Keene described how the victims fell for the most transparent ruses. Keene coined the term true-believer syndrome in the book (Keene 1997:151).
...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Rinn
....
Rinn grew up in New York City. He coached Harry Houdini as a teenager in running at the Pastime Athletic Club.[1] He remained a friend to Houdini and exposed many fraudulent mediums throughout his career.[2] His sister, Bridgette, was a Catholic nun.

He was a former one year member of the American Society for Psychical Research and a lifelong inquirer into psychic matters.[3] He was a member of the Society of American Magicians. Rinn was notable for describing the tricks of physical mediums. He exposed the billet reading of Bert Reese. Science writer Martin Gardner has noted that Rinn had provided "good description of one of Reese's billet-reading performances, with an explanation of how he did it."[4]

Rinn would offer huge amounts of money, up to $10,000 to anyone who could demonstrate a psychic event; however, as nobody ever did, the money went unclaimed.[5] He was friends with another debunker of spiritualism the magician John Mulholland.[6]

Rinn's work in debunking psychic phenomena has been praised by psychologists in the field of anomalistic psychology.[7]
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(01-29-2020, 03:04 AM)PopeyesPappy Wrote: According to the chart Christians, about 30% of the population, have about 65% of the Nobel Prizes. 
On the other hand Jews, about 0.2% of the population, have about 21% of the Nobel Prizes. 

A Jew is about 50 times more likely to win a Nobel Prize than a Christian. 

Checkmate Christians.  Tongue

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What about winners that change their belief? Where are they supposed to show up in this chart?
We also know that many, and PARTICULARLY the very successful and prominent scientists (like other figures of public life) are very coy when its gets down to making their (lack of or not) religious belief public, and that is not only for financial/ job related reasons.
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(02-04-2020, 01:47 PM)theophilus Wrote:
(01-29-2020, 03:04 AM)PopeyesPappy Wrote: According to the chart Christians, about 30% of the population, have about 65% of the Nobel Prizes. 
On the other hand Jews, about 0.2% of the population, have about 21% of the Nobel Prizes. 

A Jew is about 50 times more likely to win a Nobel Prize than a Christian. 

Checkmate Christians.  Tongue

God promised Abraham that his descendants would be blessed.  He is keeping his promise.

"God" is a murdering fucktard.
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(02-04-2020, 11:57 PM)Minimalist Wrote:
(02-04-2020, 01:47 PM)theophilus Wrote:
(01-29-2020, 03:04 AM)PopeyesPappy Wrote: According to the chart Christians, about 30% of the population, have about 65% of the Nobel Prizes. 
On the other hand Jews, about 0.2% of the population, have about 21% of the Nobel Prizes. 

A Jew is about 50 times more likely to win a Nobel Prize than a Christian. 

Checkmate Christians.  Tongue

God promised Abraham that his descendants would be blessed.  He is keeping his promise.

"God" is a murdering fucktard.

The people who made him up were pretty damned brutal, is all I can say.
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Robert G. Ingersoll : “No man with a sense of humor ever founded a religion.”
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