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The Greatest NFL Quarterbacks Of All Time

Excluding Tom Brady, who is the greatest quarterback of all time and why?

This list ranks Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, and Dan Marino next in the ranking. Do you agree, or would you put someone else in that top three?

What about Otto Graham? Are such lists unfairly biased against past QBs?
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Joe Montana. He meticulously dismantled the opposition. He marched down field with surgical precision. He would see openings 3 or 6 plays ahead of everyone else. If Montana had those Superbowl championship teams today, he would wipe the floor with Brady.
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(01-25-2020, 02:53 PM)Dānu Wrote: The Greatest NFL Quarterbacks Of All Time

Excluding Tom Brady, who is the greatest quarterback of all time and why?

This list ranks Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, and Dan Marino next in the ranking.  Do you agree, or would you put someone else in that top three?

What about Otto Graham?  Are such lists unfairly biased against past QBs?

Brady comes from an organization of dedicated cheaters. He needs an * by his name. And a QB depends on his team. No way to choose among them.
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I had Drew Brees in some of my classes at Purdue. I declined to be a "tutor" for any of the jocks.
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(01-25-2020, 03:51 PM)Cavebear Wrote:
(01-25-2020, 02:53 PM)Dānu Wrote: The Greatest NFL Quarterbacks Of All Time

Excluding Tom Brady, who is the greatest quarterback of all time and why?

This list ranks Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, and Dan Marino next in the ranking.  Do you agree, or would you put someone else in that top three?

What about Otto Graham?  Are such lists unfairly biased against past QBs?

Brady comes from an organization of dedicated cheaters.  He needs an * by his name.  And a QB depends on his team.  No way to choose among them.

All worthy of consideration, but what is often overlooked is how much Brady has benefitted from his partnership with Belichick.
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I thought you were talking about the hobby acronym, get out another thousand
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(01-25-2020, 04:05 PM)Dānu Wrote:
(01-25-2020, 03:51 PM)Cavebear Wrote:
(01-25-2020, 02:53 PM)Dānu Wrote: The Greatest NFL Quarterbacks Of All Time

Excluding Tom Brady, who is the greatest quarterback of all time and why?

This list ranks Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, and Dan Marino next in the ranking.  Do you agree, or would you put someone else in that top three?

What about Otto Graham?  Are such lists unfairly biased against past QBs?

Brady comes from an organization of dedicated cheaters.  He needs an * by his name.  And a QB depends on his team.  No way to choose among them.

All worthy of consideration, but what is often overlooked is how much Brady has benefitted from his partnership with Belichick.

Did I mention the cheating benefit?  They might have both been great being honest.  But we will never know... Like Shoeless Joe Jackson and Pete Rose, we will never know.
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Joe Montana is the greatest for my money. I'm down five point with 45 seconds left on the clock, I want Joe under the center. Once he started licking his fingers, that was your ass. I say that as a Cowboys/Staubach fan.

The other two? Brady's #2, maybe Steve Young third? I think there's about ten or twelve QBs for whom a great argument could be mounted their belonging in the top 5.

And yeah, older QBs tend to not be remembered as such simply because offense was not so pass-oriented, generally. There are exceptions, though -- Unitas, Sammy Baugh, Fran Tarkenton, YA Tittle.
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Montana but my frame of reference is miniscule. I think I started following football when I started noticing what the niners were doing with Montana and stopped following football in 2012 after the Junior Seau and Jovan Belcher suicides. As much as I enjoyed the strategies of the game the idea of watching the damage occur in real time while knowing where it leads made me lose interest. But, true confession: I have watched the last two games the niners have played and will watch the super bowl too. What the hell, they'll be damaging each other whether I watch or not. I guess that rationalization would work for kiddy porn too but that just isn't so interesting.
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(01-25-2020, 04:15 PM)Cavebear Wrote:
(01-25-2020, 04:05 PM)Dānu Wrote:
(01-25-2020, 03:51 PM)Cavebear Wrote: Brady comes from an organization of dedicated cheaters.  He needs an * by his name.  And a QB depends on his team.  No way to choose among them.

All worthy of consideration, but what is often overlooked is how much Brady has benefitted from his partnership with Belichick.

Did I mention the cheating benefit?  They might have both been great being honest.  But we will never know...  Like Shoeless Joe Jackson and Pete Rose, we will never know.

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I was referring to other aspects of their relationship. While Belichick has a reputation for cheating, it's not clear how much of that reputation is earned, nor how significantly it departs from what the management of other teams has done over the years. There isn't a whole lot of confirmed examples. If the Astros hadn't been caught, they'd still be enjoying a reputation for winning instead of the asterisk now attached to them. Being accused and being caught are two very different things. And one has to ask whether anything that Bellichick can legitimately be held to account for differs from that of other teams. Arguably, Drew Brees wouldn't have a ring on his finger if not for a team effort to take Brett Favre out of the game in the 2009 NFC Championship game, as Favre's injuries played a significant role in their victory. It's said that all politicians are liars, some are just more successful at it than others. I suspect much of Bellichick and Brady's vaunted reputation for cheating consists of little more than sour grapes and hot air.
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I would opine here but I don't watch baseball.

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Beckham, definitely.
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Derek Jeter
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(01-25-2020, 06:40 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote: Derek Jeter

I wanna know who in hell could vote against Jeter. I say we have us a good old fashioned lynching party, yeehaw!
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(01-25-2020, 04:41 PM)Mark Wrote: Montana but my frame of reference is miniscule ... What the hell, they'll be damaging each other whether I watch or not.  I guess that rationalization would work for kiddy porn too but that just isn't so interesting.

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(01-25-2020, 07:04 PM)Dānu Wrote:
(01-25-2020, 04:41 PM)Mark Wrote: Montana but my frame of reference is miniscule ... What the hell, they'll be damaging each other whether I watch or not.  I guess that rationalization would work for kiddy porn too but that just isn't so interesting.

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Okay so the opinion on kiddy porn is based on a still smaller sample.

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Also, wanted to add that there's different types of QBs -- some are system QBs who shine inside a well-defined plan. Brady's that sort, and that's why I think Danu's got a good point about Brady and Belichick being a story of symbiotic success, if I might reduce it down to simplistic terms.

Other QBs defined their greatness not with systematic play, but with on-the-field improvisation and gutting it out. Tarkenton and Staubach epitomize that angle, to my mind.

I think Montana's the best in one part because he was the best of both worlds: Walsh designed a system and brought Joe in to run it. Montana did that admirably, but at the same time, when the shit hit the fan, he kept a calm head. He wasn't called Joe Cool for nothin'.
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John Elway with Joe Montana's 49er's offensive line.
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