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Ancient human species made ‘last stand’ 100,000 years ago on Indonesian island
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Ancient human species made ‘last stand’ 100,000 years ago on Indonesian island
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/12/...MFOzgbdOTk

Quote:When seafaring modern humans ventured onto the island of Java some 40,000 years ago, they found a rainforest-covered land teeming with life—but they weren’t the first humans to call the island home. Their distant ancestor, Homo erectus, had traveled to Java when it was connected to the mainland via land bridges and lived there for approximately 1.5 million years. These people made their last stand on the island about 100,000 years ago, long after they had gone extinct elsewhere in the world, according a new study assigning reliable dates to previously found H. erectus fossils. The finding suggests a trace of H. erectus DNA could live on in modern Southeast Asian populations, thanks to complex intermingling among the diverse humans who have lived in the region.

The newly dated fossils also bookend the existence of a remarkably long-lived human species, says Patrick Roberts, an archaeologist at the Max Planck Institute for the Science of Human History in Jena, Germany, who wasn’t involved with the study. “With this date, the duration of Homo erectus occupation in Southeast Asia is nearly three times as long as our [own] species has been on the planet,” he says. “There is no doubt it was successful.”

Puts things in perspective. Also it's somewhat reassuring that there was another species of human that lasted longer than we did.
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"...longer than we DID"???
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(01-01-2020, 09:27 PM)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: "...longer than we DID"???

I don't think humanity has much time left. Compared to how long Homo erectus existed, anyway. Tongue

Would be very surprised if Homo sapiens survives that long. Although space travel could potentially increase the chances of humanity's long term survival, of course.
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Can we wait until the body stops twitching before we bury us?
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Ancient human species made ‘last stand’ 100,000 years ago on Indonesian island
No.
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(01-01-2020, 09:30 PM)GenesisNemesis Wrote:
(01-01-2020, 09:27 PM)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: "...longer than we DID"???

I don't think humanity has much time left. Compared to how long Homo erectus existed, anyway. Tongue

Would be very surprised if Homo sapiens survives that long. Although space travel could potentially increase the chances of humanity's long term survival, of course.


Of course our direct ancestors would have lived right along side all the other homos.  So we've already survived as long, albeit not in our current form.  Then again I doubt Homo erectus remained unchanged for 1.5 million years either.
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(01-02-2020, 01:10 AM)Mark Wrote:
(01-01-2020, 09:30 PM)GenesisNemesis Wrote:
(01-01-2020, 09:27 PM)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: "...longer than we DID"???

I don't think humanity has much time left. Compared to how long Homo erectus existed, anyway. Tongue

Would be very surprised if Homo sapiens survives that long. Although space travel could potentially increase the chances of humanity's long term survival, of course.


Of course our direct ancestors would have lived right along side all the other homos.  So we've already survived as long, albeit not in our current form.  Then again I doubt Homo erectus remained unchanged for 1.5 million years either.

Lee Berger describes human evolution as a "braided stream", branching and coming back together.


"So it was a surprise in 2017, when a study in eLife reported the specimens entered the cave between 236,000 and 335,000 years ago. H. sapiens existed in Africa by this time, so it’s conceivable that our ancestors encountered H. naledi. We can’t say if they interbred, however, because no DNA has been extracted from H. naledi bones."

https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-...man-cousin
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Quote:Of course our direct ancestors would have lived right along side all the other homos.


Just the thought of that will drive Mike Pence crazy!
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(01-02-2020, 01:29 AM)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:
(01-02-2020, 01:10 AM)Mark Wrote:
(01-01-2020, 09:30 PM)GenesisNemesis Wrote: I don't think humanity has much time left. Compared to how long Homo erectus existed, anyway. Tongue

Would be very surprised if Homo sapiens survives that long. Although space travel could potentially increase the chances of humanity's long term survival, of course.


Of course our direct ancestors would have lived right along side all the other homos.  So we've already survived as long, albeit not in our current form.  Then again I doubt Homo erectus remained unchanged for 1.5 million years either.

Lee Berger describes human evolution as a "braided stream", branching and coming back together.


So pretty much like my New Hampshire relatives and your family then, I suppose.   hobo
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Ancient human species made ‘last stand’ 100,000 years ago on Indonesian island
WE may never get a definitive answer because finding an intact HE dna strand will require a stroke of luck of astronomical proportions.  And scholars can look at the evidence we have and argue till the cows come home.

http://johnhawks.net/weblog/topics/moder...frica.html

Quote:Under the Multiregional evolution hypothesis, the first humans to leave Africa 1.8 million years ago never divided into different species. Instead, these populations always exchanged genes with each other through recurrent gene flow. Today, we are part of this same species, which has evolved greatly over time to a very different morphology and behavior from the first humans.

The original Out-of-Africa hypothesis claimed that modern humans (us) arose in Africa and colonized the entire world without ever interbreeding with what it considered primitive forms.  The sequencing of the Neanderthal genome has proven that to be wrong.  There was interbreeding.  So either our entire concept of a species is wrong and interbreeding and fertility is possible or we are wrong to claim that these other assorted homos were a separate species at all.  Take your pick and argue away!
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