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Nice Find at Pompeii
#1

Nice Find at Pompeii
Good work, boys.  Keep digging.

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/vivid-g...t-pompeii/

Quote:A vivid fresco depicting an armour-clad gladiator standing victorious as his wounded opponent stumbles gushing blood has been discovered in the ancient Roman city of Pompeii, Italy’s culture ministry said Friday.

The striking scene in gold, blue and red was uncovered in what experts think was a tavern frequented by gladiators, who fought each other, prisoners and wild animals for the public’s entertainment.
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#2

Nice Find at Pompeii
It's all fun until Rome gets their Hadrian's Amphitheater put out.
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#3

Nice Find at Pompeii
Very cool. Here's the art:

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#4

Nice Find at Pompeii
I suspect vanity art. Lefty doesn't look like he broke a sweat.
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#5

Nice Find at Pompeii
The ash blanket preserved a nice slice of history. Same things happened in the more distant past, preserving fossils that would otherwise decay.
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#6

Nice Find at Pompeii
I like the obscene Graphitis at Pompeii. It shows that we're not very removed from these people. What can I say, I like the small things that make these people more human. Such as the letters from Vindolanda where one soldier calls for a warm pair of socks or a woman invites her friend to her birthday party. We're still the same and that's what I love about discoveries like that.
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(10-11-2019, 05:41 PM)skyking Wrote: The ash blanket preserved a nice slice of history. Same things happened in the more distant past, preserving fossils that would otherwise decay.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akrotiri_(Santorini), for example. Got to visit that back in the '70s. Made it to Pompeii the same year in fact.
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#8

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Quote:It shows that we're not very removed from these people.


It does show that they were a lot less uptight than we are today.  Another shitty legacy of jesusist puritanism on Western Civilization!
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(10-11-2019, 07:26 PM)Minimalist Wrote: It does show that they were a lot less uptight than we are today.

You should come read some European graphitis some time.
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#10

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[Image: God-Priapus-illustrated-in-a-fresco-in-t...domain.png]


From The House of the Vettii in Pompeii.  As our guide said when I was there "demonstrating that it is worth its weight in gold."
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#11

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Dick jokes.
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#12

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In '"the house of the brothers", I think, in Pompeii there is an alcove with a small bronze of the god Priapus . It is meant to have an erect penis. Our guide explained that tourists kept stealing the phallus and that it was too expensive to keep replacing .Apparently the Italian locals stole the lead piping in the town ages ago. Wouldn't it have melted ?

I visited Pompeii on 1990. It knocked my socks off. At the time they had excavated around 20% of the town. I found the figures of people especially poignant.

Highly recommended if you ver get the chance.
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(10-11-2019, 11:39 PM)grympy Wrote:  Wouldn't it have melted ?

So what? Easier to get out of the ground that way.
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(10-11-2019, 11:39 PM)grympy Wrote: Apparently the Italian locals  stole the lead piping in the town ages ago.  Wouldn't it have melted ?

Pyroclastic flows can range from 400°-1800°F. The lower end of that range is insufficient to melt lead.

Was the plumbing above ground or below?
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#15

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(10-12-2019, 01:33 PM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:
(10-11-2019, 11:39 PM)grympy Wrote: Apparently the Italian locals  stole the lead piping in the town ages ago.  Wouldn't it have melted ?

Pyroclastic flows can range from 400°-1800°F. The lower end of that range is insufficient to melt lead.

Was the plumbing above ground or below?

Plumbing would be just below to the surface to deep, depending on the topography.
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(10-12-2019, 01:37 PM)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:
(10-12-2019, 01:33 PM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:
(10-11-2019, 11:39 PM)grympy Wrote: Apparently the Italian locals  stole the lead piping in the town ages ago.  Wouldn't it have melted ?

Pyroclastic flows can range from 400°-1800°F. The lower end of that range is insufficient to melt lead.

Was the plumbing above ground or below?

Plumbing would be just below to the surface to deep, depending on the topography.


That too would insulate them against the heat somewhat, dependent upon depth.
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#17

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Or the hot ash would have dropped with enough depth to keep the heat in the lower layers long enough for the lead to accumulate the needed BTU. When I was there in the '70s a team from Indiana U. was looking at this peripherally to their main research. (I'm from Indiana and saw the IU t-shirts some were wearing in a bar. Things snowballed from there.)
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Pompeii apparently was hit by a day long heavy ash fall before the final pyroclastic flows finished them off.  The ash/pumice would have covered the ground and provided some measure of protection to structures at ground level.  There are also Italian researchers who have suggested that Pompeii, being farther away from Vesuvius than Herculaneum, would have had a "cooler" pyroclastic flow than Herculaneum although still hot enough to fry anything it came in contact with.  Skulls of victims in Herculaneum showed signs of bursting from the heat.  Bodies in Pompeii were merely dead.  Small comfort to the victims.
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Happily, the Italians have learned their lesson.

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#20

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Yep.... just like those people who get flooded out by the Mississippi every spring and then say "thank goodness that won't happen again!"
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#21

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They thought that paying tribute to Vulcan would appease the god. Much like people in the mississipi flood areas. Same thing, different deities.
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My dad was there in 1944 when it erupted.  He said it was the most terrifying thing he ever saw.... and he was at Monte Cassino.
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(10-12-2019, 05:51 PM)LastPoet Wrote: They thought that paying tribute to Vulcan would appease the god. Much like people in the mississipi flood areas. Same thing, different deities.

They didn't even know. In their living memory the mountain never errupted. It didn't since. Not on that scale anyway. But they had earthquakes and were obviously used to them happening. They were just in the stage of rebuilding from the last one when catastrophe hit.
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Nice Find at Pompeii
(10-12-2019, 01:37 PM)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:
(10-12-2019, 01:33 PM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:
(10-11-2019, 11:39 PM)grympy Wrote: Apparently the Italian locals  stole the lead piping in the town ages ago.  Wouldn't it have melted ?

Pyroclastic flows can range from 400°-1800°F. The lower end of that range is insufficient to melt lead.

Was the plumbing above ground or below?

Plumbing would be just below to the surface to deep, depending on the topography.

These pipes ran above ground, along the edge of the street . They were not for effluent, but water.  Lead poisoning  apparently killed  a lot of Romans .Lead  was also used as makeup (Elizabeth 1 also used lead as make up)   as well as for sweetening wine.
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Nice Find at Pompeii
(10-12-2019, 02:15 PM)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: Or the hot ash would have dropped with enough depth to keep the heat in the lower layers long enough for the lead to accumulate the needed BTU. When I was there in the '70s a team from Indiana U. was looking at this peripherally to their main research. (I'm from Indiana and saw the IU t-shirts some were wearing in a bar. Things snowballed from there.)

A good point, sure, thanks for the short hairs.
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