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Non-Christian evidence that Jesus existed?
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09-22-2019, 02:29 AM
(This post was last modified: 09-22-2019, 02:30 AM by grympy.)
Non-Christian evidence that Jesus existed?
Oh fuck sake!
The guy was in Cambridge.? What an annoying twat. .Were his surroundings and an apparently very old book mean to impart brains and credibility by osmosis? Idiot.
Um, no.
Forgeries by later xhristards are not "non-christian" evidence. It is, in fact, just a jesus freak wet dream. But surely we have discussed this before.
Robert G. Ingersoll : “No man with a sense of humor ever founded a religion.”
Well at least Free didn't do the reading or it would have included a postcard from Pontious Pilate to Tacitus and a patent by Paul for the process of Christian anointing LOL
(09-22-2019, 02:33 AM)Minimalist Wrote: But surely we have discussed this before. Yeah, I haven't the foggiest idea where.
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(09-22-2019, 02:44 AM)madog Wrote: Well at least Free didn't do the reading or it would have included a postcard from Pontious Pilate to Tacitus and a patent by Paul for the process of Christian anointing LOL I am beginning to understand the "mad" part of "madog."
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(09-22-2019, 03:07 AM)Free Wrote:(09-22-2019, 02:44 AM)madog Wrote: Well at least Free didn't do the reading or it would have included a postcard from Pontious Pilate to Tacitus and a patent by Paul for the process of Christian anointing LOL From previous experience of your intellect. I very much doubt it (09-22-2019, 03:26 AM)madog Wrote:(09-22-2019, 03:07 AM)Free Wrote:(09-22-2019, 02:44 AM)madog Wrote: Well at least Free didn't do the reading or it would have included a postcard from Pontious Pilate to Tacitus and a patent by Paul for the process of Christian anointing LOL You have never experienced anyone's intellect, let alone mine, and certainly not your own.
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(09-22-2019, 03:30 AM)Free Wrote:(09-22-2019, 03:26 AM)madog Wrote:(09-22-2019, 03:07 AM)Free Wrote: I am beginning to understand the "mad" part of "madog." Exactly ... I'm still waiting ... I won't hold my breath LOL (09-22-2019, 03:06 AM)Free Wrote:(09-22-2019, 02:33 AM)Minimalist Wrote: But surely we have discussed this before. More than once, I fear.
Robert G. Ingersoll : “No man with a sense of humor ever founded a religion.”
We had a number of "messiahs" mentioned in Josephus and the New Testament who came to bad ends with their followers. We had the Essene "teacher of righteousness" who was executed and a century later his followers were awaiting his resurrection and return.
So to me, it does not seem unlikely Jesus was simply more of the same. The gospels are of course, tall tales. To invent a Jesus of Nazareth from whole clothe seems to me to be rather unlikely. That Jesus was not born in Bethlehem, and was not from the line of David caused Matthew and Mark to invent the infant narratives, which to me suggests that Jesus did in fact exist, but was rejected as not fitting the prophecies of Isaiah et al. The Jews of Jesus's day knew he did not fit the prophecies. Playing the odds, it just seems likely Yeshua Ben Joseph of Nazareth existed, get executed and had some people expecting his immanent return. Which didn't happen and thus Christianity mutated rather wildly.
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That's a very nice story.
But I'd like to hear one about Bilbo now.
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental.
(09-22-2019, 12:42 PM)Phaedrus Wrote:(09-22-2019, 12:39 PM)brewerb Wrote: That's a very nice story. My tolkien, MIRACULOUS!!! Where is the nearest worship chamber?
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental.
(09-22-2019, 12:39 PM)brewerb Wrote: That's a very nice story. I read somewhere that Tolkien first called him Bingo Baggins, but changed it to Bilbo at the last minute. Thank goodness for that!
“I expect to pass this way but once; any good therefore that I can do, or any kindness that I can show to any fellow creature, let me do it now. Let me not defer or neglect it, for I shall not pass this way again.” (Etienne De Grellet)
(09-22-2019, 12:47 PM)Phaedrus Wrote:(09-22-2019, 12:45 PM)brewerb Wrote: My tolkien, MIRACULOUS!!! I found this one under your door mat. It appears to have runes.
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(09-22-2019, 05:14 AM)Minimalist Wrote:(09-22-2019, 03:06 AM)Free Wrote:(09-22-2019, 02:33 AM)Minimalist Wrote: But surely we have discussed this before. Yep, but since I will be falsely accused again of starting another one of these Jesus H. Christ threads I will not be participating. I'm out.
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(09-22-2019, 12:39 PM)brewerb Wrote: That's a very nice story. While tales of Middle Earth are fun, the fans of those works are not hell bent on running your life, our politics, this nation based on those tall tales. The Bible tall tales fans are. I wish we could all ignore the Bible, like say, Hesiod's Theogony, but the Christian morons make that impossible.
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(09-23-2019, 11:02 AM)Cheerful Charlie Wrote:(09-22-2019, 12:39 PM)brewerb Wrote: That's a very nice story. Well, next time a Jehovah's Witness (or some other Jesus freak) quotes the Bible at you, read him the following: "And they shall stand in despair before the white cliffs of the world, and shall chant from their empty tomes in vain, for their words are nothing! And Erú shall prevail against His enemies and they shall be cast into the Void, for their enchantments are naught and their gods are helpless before Him." (The Silmarillion, 17:82)
“I expect to pass this way but once; any good therefore that I can do, or any kindness that I can show to any fellow creature, let me do it now. Let me not defer or neglect it, for I shall not pass this way again.” (Etienne De Grellet)
I want a Cthulhu mezzuzah to mount on my front door.
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Did any of these contemporaries of Jesus have anything to say about him?
Persius 34-62 BCE Petronius 27-66 BCE Philo 20-50 BCE Marcus Clavius Rufus 11-71 BCE Columella 4-70 BCE Florius Lucius 5 BCE-55 CE Geminus 10 BCE-50 CE Phaedrus 15 BCE-50 CE Titus Livius 59 BCE-17 CE Marcus Paterculus 19 BCE-31 CE Pomponius Mela 15 BCE-45 CE Valerius Maximus 10BCE-57 CE Lucius Seneca 4-65 CE Hero of Alexandria 10-70 CE Appolonius of Tyrana 15-106 CE Musonius Rufus 20-101 CE Pliny the Elder 23-79 CE Silius Italicus 28-101 CE Quintillian 35-100 CE Martial 38-102 CE
“I expect to pass this way but once; any good therefore that I can do, or any kindness that I can show to any fellow creature, let me do it now. Let me not defer or neglect it, for I shall not pass this way again.” (Etienne De Grellet)
(09-24-2019, 12:23 AM)Gwaithmir Wrote: Did any of these contemporaries of Jesus have anything to say about him?
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