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The bible is a bunch of hooey...so is the new testament
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The bible is a bunch of hooey...so is the new testament
Just sayin.  Big Grin 

I've been discussing the bible with a friend who is somewhat religious but not too over the edge. She's not really a church goer, she just sort of believes stuff....maybe.  She was very interested  to learn about the origins of Yahweh as a war god, one of the pantheon of gods.  I described El as the god of all gods from which Isra-el gets the last two letters of it's name.  This was news to her.   It was interesting how the dominos fall. When one learns of the origins of the biblical war god the entire house of cards fall.   If the old testament is a bunch of hooey then so is the new testament.

I meant to add this link....https://www.haaretz.com/archaeology/.pre...-1.5992072
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We should be glad that Bible is bullshit and not word of god as otherwise we would be fucked Wink
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Haaretz usually does a great job with archaeological reports. 

I have found over the years that when you want to find out what Jews were thinking it is best to ask a Jew rather than some asswipe xhristard like Drippy.  That moron is always droning on about sin and Adam and all sorts of other silly shit but none of this seems to mean much to JEWS.

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articl...all-of-man

Quote:Relation to Old Testament Theology.
The story of the fall of man is never appealed to in the Old Testament either as a historical event or as supporting a theological construction of the nature and origin of sin. The translation in the Revised Version of Job xxxi. 33 and Hosea vi. 7 ("Adam" for the Hebrew undefined), even if correct, would not substantiate the point in issue, that the Old Testament theology based its doctrine of sin on the fall of Adam. The Garden of Eden is not even alluded to in any writings before the post-exilic prophets (Ezek. xxviii. 13, xxxi. 9; Isa. li. 3; but comp. Gen. xiii. 10, and even in these no reference is found to the Fall. The contention that, notwithstanding this surprising absence of reference to the story and the theme, the Hebrews of Biblical times nevertheless entertained the notion that through the fall of the first man their own nature was corrupted, is untenable. Ps. li. 5, the classic passage of the defenders of the theory, is, under a fair interpretation, merely the avowal of the author that when he or the Israel of whom he speaks was born, Israel was unfaithful to Yhwh; and Ps. xiv. 3 does not give a general statement applicable to the human race, but depicts a condition existing at a certain period in Israel.
The fall of man, as a theological concept, begins to appear only in the late Apocrypha and pseudepigrapha, probably under Essenic (if not Judæo-Christian) influences.
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Wait till you get around to discussing Revelations.
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I'll stick with Jefferson.

Quote:‘It is between fifty and sixty years since I read it [the Apocalypse], and I then considered it merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams.’

-Thomas Jefferson
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(08-20-2019, 04:46 PM)Minimalist Wrote: Haaretz usually does a great job with archaeological reports. 

I have found over the years that when you want to find out what Jews were thinking it is best to ask a Jew rather than some asswipe xhristard like Drippy.  That moron is always droning on about sin and Adam and all sorts of other silly shit but none of this seems to mean much to JEWS.

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articl...all-of-man

Quote:Relation to Old Testament Theology.
The story of the fall of man is never appealed to in the Old Testament either as a historical event or as supporting a theological construction of the nature and origin of sin. The translation in the Revised Version of Job xxxi. 33 and Hosea vi. 7 ("Adam" for the Hebrew undefined), even if correct, would not substantiate the point in issue, that the Old Testament theology based its doctrine of sin on the fall of Adam. The Garden of Eden is not even alluded to in any writings before the post-exilic prophets (Ezek. xxviii. 13, xxxi. 9; Isa. li. 3; but comp. Gen. xiii. 10, and even in these no reference is found to the Fall. The contention that, notwithstanding this surprising absence of reference to the story and the theme, the Hebrews of Biblical times nevertheless entertained the notion that through the fall of the first man their own nature was corrupted, is untenable. Ps. li. 5, the classic passage of the defenders of the theory, is, under a fair interpretation, merely the avowal of the author that when he or the Israel of whom he speaks was born, Israel was unfaithful to Yhwh; and Ps. xiv. 3 does not give a general statement applicable to the human race, but depicts a condition existing at a certain period in Israel.
The fall of man, as a theological concept, begins to appear only in the late Apocrypha and pseudepigrapha, probably under Essenic (if not Judæo-Christian) influences.

One way to understand the "garden myth" (what Christians turned into the "fall") according to Jews, is to read Buber's "Good and Evil", (especially Part II).
They took the myth straight from the Babylonian "Marduk Slays the Dragon of Chaos''. It's about (Babylonian) chaos and order, not about sin and rebellion or whatever BS Christians over-laid it with. No "redemption" needed, no "atonement" needed.
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(08-20-2019, 04:46 PM)Minimalist Wrote: Haaretz usually does a great job with archaeological reports. 

I have found over the years that when you want to find out what Jews were thinking it is best to ask a Jew rather than some asswipe xhristard like Drippy.  That moron is always droning on about sin and Adam and all sorts of other silly shit but none of this seems to mean much to JEWS.

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articl...all-of-man

Quote:Relation to Old Testament Theology.
The story of the fall of man is never appealed to in the Old Testament either as a historical event or as supporting a theological construction of the nature and origin of sin. The translation in the Revised Version of Job xxxi. 33 and Hosea vi. 7 ("Adam" for the Hebrew undefined), even if correct, would not substantiate the point in issue, that the Old Testament theology based its doctrine of sin on the fall of Adam. The Garden of Eden is not even alluded to in any writings before the post-exilic prophets (Ezek. xxviii. 13, xxxi. 9; Isa. li. 3; but comp. Gen. xiii. 10, and even in these no reference is found to the Fall. The contention that, notwithstanding this surprising absence of reference to the story and the theme, the Hebrews of Biblical times nevertheless entertained the notion that through the fall of the first man their own nature was corrupted, is untenable. Ps. li. 5, the classic passage of the defenders of the theory, is, under a fair interpretation, merely the avowal of the author that when he or the Israel of whom he speaks was born, Israel was unfaithful to Yhwh; and Ps. xiv. 3 does not give a general statement applicable to the human race, but depicts a condition existing at a certain period in Israel.
The fall of man, as a theological concept, begins to appear only in the late Apocrypha and pseudepigrapha, probably under Essenic (if not Judæo-Christian) influences.

Have you ever noticed that Christians never talk to a rabbi to discuss the bible even though it's the Jews who wrote the damned thing?  Most Jews know it's a bunch of nonsense too but at least they understand what it's all about. Christians don't.   Many rabbis have accepted that the Exodus is myth and celebrate Passover as more of a social tradition and an allegory and a way to get together and eat a bunch of food. It's the Christians who have their heads up their asses and have a hissy fit if you tell them the Exodus and Moses is a myth.  

Yahweh, the god of metallurgy and war fits the biblical god to a tee.  It all makes more sense when the origins of this character are traced back.
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The bible is a bunch of hooey...so is the new testament
Of course the obvious problem with that is that without the Fall of Man who needs fucking jesus?

The xhristard bullshit story collapses like a poorly built house of cards if you subtract that one card from the bottom.  Fundies actually understand that better than revisionist xtians.  They can't let go of any of it or

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so they are forced to act like morons and insist their bullshit is real.  Sucks to be them.
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(08-20-2019, 04:50 PM)brewerb Wrote: Wait till you get around to discussing Revelations.

A gnotic masterpiece. It has nothing to do with whatever the fuck the Christians claim.
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(08-20-2019, 09:12 PM)Free Wrote:
(08-20-2019, 04:50 PM)brewerb Wrote: Wait till you get around to discussing Revelations.

A gnotic masterpiece. It has nothing to do with whatever the fuck the Christians claim.

They claim it as part of the new testament.
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#11

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They should know..... they voted it in!

The whole fucking thing is like worshiping a Congressional Conference Report.
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(08-20-2019, 09:29 PM)brewerb Wrote:
(08-20-2019, 09:12 PM)Free Wrote:
(08-20-2019, 04:50 PM)brewerb Wrote: Wait till you get around to discussing Revelations.

A gnotic masterpiece. It has nothing to do with whatever the fuck the Christians claim.

They claim it as part of the new testament.

Yes and then, like they do now, they had no clue what it was.
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(08-21-2019, 01:14 AM)Free Wrote:
(08-20-2019, 09:29 PM)brewerb Wrote:
(08-20-2019, 09:12 PM)Free Wrote: A gnotic masterpiece. It has nothing to do with whatever the fuck the Christians claim.

They claim it as part of the new testament.

Yes and then, like they do now, they had no clue what it was.

It's gods predicted end of days,............... they've told me so many times. You must not pay much attention to American christian preachers.
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(08-21-2019, 01:27 AM)brewerb Wrote:
(08-21-2019, 01:14 AM)Free Wrote:
(08-20-2019, 09:29 PM)brewerb Wrote: They claim it as part of the new testament.

Yes and then, like they do now, they had no clue what it was.

It's gods predicted end of days,............... they've told me so many times. You must not pay much attention to American christian preachers.

Nope, because they are all fucking retarded.
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It's Sofa King retarded.
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(08-20-2019, 04:46 PM)Minimalist Wrote: Haaretz usually does a great job with archaeological reports. 

I have found over the years that when you want to find out what Jews were thinking it is best to ask a Jew rather than some asswipe xhristard like Drippy.  That moron is always droning on about sin and Adam and all sorts of other silly shit but none of this seems to mean much to JEWS.

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articl...all-of-man

Quote:Relation to Old Testament Theology.
The story of the fall of man is never appealed to in the Old Testament either as a historical event or as supporting a theological construction of the nature and origin of sin. The translation in the Revised Version of Job xxxi. 33 and Hosea vi. 7 ("Adam" for the Hebrew undefined), even if correct, would not substantiate the point in issue, that the Old Testament theology based its doctrine of sin on the fall of Adam. The Garden of Eden is not even alluded to in any writings before the post-exilic prophets (Ezek. xxviii. 13, xxxi. 9; Isa. li. 3; but comp. Gen. xiii. 10, and even in these no reference is found to the Fall. The contention that, notwithstanding this surprising absence of reference to the story and the theme, the Hebrews of Biblical times nevertheless entertained the notion that through the fall of the first man their own nature was corrupted, is untenable. Ps. li. 5, the classic passage of the defenders of the theory, is, under a fair interpretation, merely the avowal of the author that when he or the Israel of whom he speaks was born, Israel was unfaithful to Yhwh; and Ps. xiv. 3 does not give a general statement applicable to the human race, but depicts a condition existing at a certain period in Israel.
The fall of man, as a theological concept, begins to appear only in the late Apocrypha and pseudepigrapha, probably under Essenic (if not Judæo-Christian) influences.

This is an excellent point. An awful lot of evangelical theology is highly presuppositionalist. We usually think of that term in regards to presupposing the supernatural and the existence of god or the inerrancy of scripture, but it's true of a raft of other things, like the messianic prophecies that aren't really messianic, or indeed prophecy that isn't really prophetic. And so it is with original sin and the total depravity of man; people are so accustomed to the concept that they start "reading it in" to passages that really aren't supporting it or that mention it just in passing.

And people forget that the Bible is a patchwork of things written by different people at different times, and is not generally presented in the order written. Since they don't really understand the dating of the various books they assume, wrongly, that the story of the fall should color everything that comes after just because it's in the first few chapters as published. When in fact Genesis was written 200 to 400 years after the very oldest OT writings (Amos minus later expansions, first part of Isaiah, etc).
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(08-20-2019, 05:12 PM)Dancefortwo Wrote: Have you ever noticed that Christians never talk to a rabbi to discuss the bible even though it's the Jews who wrote the damned thing?  Most Jews know it's a bunch of nonsense too but at least they understand what it's all about. Christians don't.   Many rabbis have accepted that the Exodus is myth and celebrate Passover as more of a social tradition and an allegory and a way to get together and eat a bunch of food. It's the Christians who have their heads up their asses and have a hissy fit if you tell them the Exodus and Moses is a myth.  

Yahweh, the god of metallurgy and war fits the biblical god to a tee.  It all makes more sense when the origins of this character are traced back.

I don't know about Christians generally, but in my experience and observation, evangelicals would not consider a Jewish person a reliable source of information on any theological topic, as they have rejected their own messiah. This is wrong on so, SO many levels, of course -- not least of all that they mean something entirely different and more specific by "messiah" than a Jewish person would -- but it accurately reflects their belief that whatever "spiritual understanding" Jews once had, they have long since turned away from, and have been given over to spiritual darkness. In their arrogance, evangelicals believe they understand the OT better than Jews. The favored status of god's "chosen people" is still provisionally there for the Jews in some abstract sense but not fully realized until they see the light and embrace their Savior. In that sense, evangelicals really do regard themselves as more in god's favor than the Jews.
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The Messiah had a definitive list of tasks to accomplish:

Quote:The mashiach will bring about the political and spiritual redemption of the Jewish people by bringing us back to Israel and restoring Jerusalem (Isaiah 11:11-12; Jeremiah 23:8; 30:3; Hosea 3:4-5).

He will establish a government in Israel that will be the center of all world government, both for Jews and gentiles (Isaiah 2:2-4; 11:10; 42:1).

He will rebuild the Temple and re-establish its worship (Jeremiah 33:18).

He will restore the religious court system of Israel and establish Jewish law as the law of the land (Jeremiah 33:15).

Like a shitty ballplayer, jesus went 0 for 4, was designated for assignment and sent to the minor leagues!
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(08-21-2019, 01:55 AM)Free Wrote:
(08-21-2019, 01:27 AM)brewerb Wrote:
(08-21-2019, 01:14 AM)Free Wrote: Yes and then, like they do now, they had no clue what it was.

It's gods predicted end of days,............... they've told me so many times. You must not pay much attention to American christian preachers.

Nope, because they are all fucking retarded.

Then how can you be a judge on what christians claim?
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(08-21-2019, 01:51 PM)brewerb Wrote:
(08-21-2019, 01:55 AM)Free Wrote:
(08-21-2019, 01:27 AM)brewerb Wrote: It's gods predicted end of days,............... they've told me so many times. You must not pay much attention to American christian preachers.

Nope, because they are all fucking retarded.

Then how can you be a judge on what christians claim?

Because I have an advanced education about it, and they don't. They are a bunch of sheep blindly following an interpretation presented by some doomsday preachers who use Revelation to dispense fear among the flock in an effort to control them.

Revelation isn't about the future; it's a recounting and explanation of the past, and ended 2000 years ago.

Hence, why it's called "Revelation."
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I've mentioned this before in another thread but there's some thought that whoever wrote Revelations might have been using hallucinogenic mushrooms.  Probably not true but it's funny to think about.   Several scholars name John of Patmos as the author and today Patmos has some hallucinogenic mushrooms growing there but they may not have been growing there 2000 years ago.  Or it could be that the author was off his nut.   hobo
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(08-21-2019, 02:31 PM)Free Wrote:
(08-21-2019, 01:51 PM)brewerb Wrote:
(08-21-2019, 01:55 AM)Free Wrote: Nope, because they are all fucking retarded.

Then how can you be a judge on what christians claim?

Because I have an advanced education about it, and they don't. They are a bunch of sheep blindly following an interpretation presented by some doomsday preachers who use Revelation to dispense fear among the flock in an effort to control them.

Revelation isn't about the future; it's a recounting and explanation of the past, and ended 2000 years ago.

Hence, why it's called "Revelation."

I get it, you're the only one smart enough to tell the average christian what they should believe. It must be just marvy being you. Bet your shit don't stink either.
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(08-21-2019, 04:24 PM)brewerb Wrote:
(08-21-2019, 02:31 PM)Free Wrote:
(08-21-2019, 01:51 PM)brewerb Wrote: Then how can you be a judge on what christians claim?

Because I have an advanced education about it, and they don't. They are a bunch of sheep blindly following an interpretation presented by some doomsday preachers who use Revelation to dispense fear among the flock in an effort to control them.

Revelation isn't about the future; it's a recounting and explanation of the past, and ended 2000 years ago.

Hence, why it's called "Revelation."

I get it, you're the only one smart enough to tell the average christian what they should believe. It must be just marvy being you. Bet your shit don't stink either.

Actually, I am not the only one. Countless people know what I know, and I learned from them. I do have an M.A. in Religious Studies, assist other historians with their research, and have been studying Gnosticism for decades, including translating numerous texts.

So yes, I am quite qualified to have an educated and well informed opinion on the subject, as well as produce a stinking pile of shit that would rival anybody.

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(08-20-2019, 09:29 PM)brewerb Wrote:
(08-20-2019, 09:12 PM)Free Wrote:
(08-20-2019, 04:50 PM)brewerb Wrote: Wait till you get around to discussing Revelations.

A gnotic masterpiece. It has nothing to do with whatever the fuck the Christians claim.

They claim it as part of the new testament.

Martin Luther said that it's apocryphal.
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(08-21-2019, 04:52 PM)Free Wrote:
(08-21-2019, 04:24 PM)brewerb Wrote:
(08-21-2019, 02:31 PM)Free Wrote: Because I have an advanced education about it, and they don't. They are a bunch of sheep blindly following an interpretation presented by some doomsday preachers who use Revelation to dispense fear among the flock in an effort to control them.

Revelation isn't about the future; it's a recounting and explanation of the past, and ended 2000 years ago.

Hence, why it's called "Revelation."

I get it, you're the only one smart enough to tell the average christian what they should believe. It must be just marvy being you. Bet your shit don't stink either.

Actually, I am not the only one. Countless people know what I know, and I learned from them. I do have an M.A. in Religious Studies, assist other historians with their research, and have been studying Gnosticism for decades, including translating numerous texts.

So yes, I am quite qualified to have an educated and well informed opinion on the subject, as well as produce a stinking pile of shit that would rival anybody.

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You need to get the word out to all those christians then. It's your moral duty.
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