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"If there is no objective purpose, why should we bother living?"
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"If there is no objective purpose, why should we bother living?"
There's a problem with this question that's not often mentioned: "If there's no objective purpose, why should we be concerned that there's no objective purpose?" is an equally valid question. After all, there's no objective purpose to being concerned about the ultimate nature of existence. So why bother? The question defeats itself. The other variation is "everything is futile in an atheist Universe so why bother living?" Well, if everything is futile, I obviously wouldn't be concerning myself with the ultimate nature of reality, would I?
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"If there is no objective purpose, why should we bother living?"
True enough. Also, we are called human beings, not human doings. Though I don't take that to mean that I'm going to do nothing with my life.
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"If there is no objective purpose, why should we bother living?"
Why do other animals bother living?
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"If there is no objective purpose, why should we bother living?"
(02-07-2019, 02:48 PM)Mathilda Wrote: Why do other animals bother living?

For our use and amusement, obviously.  Facepalm

Oh, no Hallucinations 4:11 says the 'gilded sheep should be stewed in rat blood' but Morons 5:16 contradicts it.
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"If there is no objective purpose, why should we bother living?"
Because we need a reason to stop living ... not a reason to continue something that has already started.
My Argument Against Free Will Wrote:(1) Ultimately, to control your actions you have to originate your original nature.

(2) But you can't originate your original nature—it's already there.

(3) So, ultimately, you can't control your actions.
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#6

"If there is no objective purpose, why should we bother living?"
Those questions both ignore the fact that "meanings" derived from religion are just as subjective.
<Insert intelligent thought here>
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"If there is no objective purpose, why should we bother living?"
Purpose doesn't mean as much as you think it does.
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"If there is no objective purpose, why should we bother living?"
The obvious answer to the question is that we have subjective purposes which are very compelling.
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#9

"If there is no objective purpose, why should we bother living?"
Quote:The other variation is "everything is futile in an atheist Universe so why bother living?"


Because it beats the alternative?


Just saying..........
Robert G. Ingersoll : “No man with a sense of humor ever founded a religion.”
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"If there is no objective purpose, why should we bother living?"
(02-07-2019, 02:48 PM)Mathilda Wrote: Why do other animals bother living?


They lack the wherewithal to recognize the need or lack of objective meaning.  I admit, I have that lack also but I don't miss it.
"Talk nonsense, but talk your own nonsense, and I'll kiss you for it. To go wrong in one's own way is better than to go right in someone else's. 
F. D.
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"If there is no objective purpose, why should we bother living?"
(02-07-2019, 02:55 PM)Chas Wrote:
(02-07-2019, 02:48 PM)Mathilda Wrote: Why do other animals bother living?

For our use and amusement, obviously.  Facepalm


They are part of God's larder plan for man.
"Talk nonsense, but talk your own nonsense, and I'll kiss you for it. To go wrong in one's own way is better than to go right in someone else's. 
F. D.
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"If there is no objective purpose, why should we bother living?"
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Think about it.
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental. 
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"If there is no objective purpose, why should we bother living?"
(02-07-2019, 05:57 PM)Thoreauvian Wrote: The obvious answer to the question is that we have subjective purposes which are very compelling.

'Subjective' purposes that are just as objectively meaningful as the 'objective' ones Consider

It's almost as if religious folks get the objective and the absolute all mixed up and then they inject that mix-up into secular culture!

* EvieTheAvocado tuts
My Argument Against Free Will Wrote:(1) Ultimately, to control your actions you have to originate your original nature.

(2) But you can't originate your original nature—it's already there.

(3) So, ultimately, you can't control your actions.
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"If there is no objective purpose, why should we bother living?"
(02-07-2019, 02:48 PM)Mathilda Wrote: Why do other animals bother living?

Because they got their animalistic heads together and now we even have stingrays going to underwater church to thank God for allowing them to float and kill almost nobody ever apart from that one Australian bloke that no one really talks about much anymore? Consider
My Argument Against Free Will Wrote:(1) Ultimately, to control your actions you have to originate your original nature.

(2) But you can't originate your original nature—it's already there.

(3) So, ultimately, you can't control your actions.
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"If there is no objective purpose, why should we bother living?"
(02-07-2019, 05:50 PM)no one Wrote: Purpose doesn't mean as much as you think it does.

Just means some kind of dolphin, right? Consider
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"If there is no objective purpose, why should we bother living?"
It's as futile as asking for the purpose of purpose itself but purpose itself doesn't need to have a purpose once we know what purpose itself actually is and where it resides Deadpan Coffee Drinker

I mean, the whole point of intrinsic meaning is that it's intrinsic ...

... "What is the meaning of life?" seems to fall into the trap of continuing to ask for the purpose of something even when we've already decided that it's good in and of itself.

It's as silly as this imaginary convo between Artistic Andy and Dimwitted Danny:

Danny: So ... I know that you're a painter, Andy, but why do you paint?

Andy: For its own sake. It's a good in and of itself. I do it because I enjoy it.

Danny: But why? What for?

Andy: For its own sake.

Danny: But why? What for?

Andy: For its own sake.

Danny: But why?

Andy: It's good in and of itself!

Danny: But why? What makes it good? What is it good for.

Andy: Nothing. It's not really good for anything.

Danny: So it's kind of pointless then. So why do you bother?

Andy: I do it for its own sake. The activity is itself a worthwhile experience.

Danny: Oh so you do it for the experience.

Andy: No, because it is already an experience ... and I don't do the experience for another experience ... I do it for itself. For its own sake. The experience is itself the joy.

Danny: But why do you bother?

Andy: Oh fuck off and leave me to my painting.
My Argument Against Free Will Wrote:(1) Ultimately, to control your actions you have to originate your original nature.

(2) But you can't originate your original nature—it's already there.

(3) So, ultimately, you can't control your actions.
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#17

"If there is no objective purpose, why should we bother living?"
Orgasms, juicy steaks, scratching my dog between her ears, foot massages, travel, the satisfaction of helping others, getting a pump, taking a great image, swimming with whales, hearing a funny joke, having your loved one fall asleep in your arms, rustling palm trees, fire pits, hot tubs, a great book, hanging out with close friends...subjectivity reigns supreme in my life.  Smile
“I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics a man’s reasoning powers are not above the monkey’s.”~Mark Twain
“Ocean: A body of water occupying about two-thirds of a world made for man - who has no gills.”~ Ambrose Bierce
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"If there is no objective purpose, why should we bother living?"
(02-07-2019, 08:47 PM)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:
(02-07-2019, 05:50 PM)no one Wrote: Purpose doesn't mean as much as you think it does.

Just means some kind of dolphin, right?  Consider

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My Argument Against Free Will Wrote:(1) Ultimately, to control your actions you have to originate your original nature.

(2) But you can't originate your original nature—it's already there.

(3) So, ultimately, you can't control your actions.
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"If there is no objective purpose, why should we bother living?"
Purpose all boils down to whether there is a God or not. And whether that God has a purpose for us.  Since none of us really know if a God exists and whether it has a purpose for us, we just have to make the best of it.

We can make our own purpose. Our own temporary purpose. 

My temporary purpose is to find a recipe for Asparagus Omelette made with beige Asparagus. Not baby crap green Asparagus.
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#20

"If there is no objective purpose, why should we bother living?"
But even if there is a God ... what if his purpose for us is for us to, for example, run around and around in circles all day every day in an empty room?

I don't see how that purpose is "objectively more meaningful" because a supreme being likes watching us run around in circles.

And if a really silly purpose + God doesn't equate to ultimate purpose but a not so silly purpose + God does equate to ultimate purpose ... then why not cut out the middle man and just have the not so silly purpose minus God?

And what's wrong with silliness, for that matter?

And if there's nothing wrong with silliness ... then if God wanting us to run around is silly then so what if it's silly if that's our purpose then it is.

But then why not cut out the middle man again, and just enjoy being silly and entertain ourselves?

What does a supreme being add to the meaning of it all, that's what I'm wondering.

He may know everything ... but we certainly know some things ... even God can't make 2+2=5 ... or make a curved square. So once we know that something is worth doing why would it be more worth doing just because he wants it? Supreme or not I don't see why his desires matter any more than ours regardless of what he says.

I think the problem here is that even if a supreme being really does know everything ... we can't actually know that such a being is actually being honest when he claims to not just be taking the piss out of us. It seems to be just as likely that such a being is not a moral being, despite its knowledge and power, and it may be asserting its subjective desires, just as we do, rather than speaking any knowledge.
My Argument Against Free Will Wrote:(1) Ultimately, to control your actions you have to originate your original nature.

(2) But you can't originate your original nature—it's already there.

(3) So, ultimately, you can't control your actions.
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(02-07-2019, 07:01 PM)Minimalist Wrote:
Quote:The other variation is "everything is futile in an atheist Universe so why bother living?"


Because it beats the alternative?


Just saying..........

Dead people don't gripe.
<Insert intelligent thought here>
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"If there is no objective purpose, why should we bother living?"
It doesn't beat being dead but it does beat dying.
My Argument Against Free Will Wrote:(1) Ultimately, to control your actions you have to originate your original nature.

(2) But you can't originate your original nature—it's already there.

(3) So, ultimately, you can't control your actions.
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#23

"If there is no objective purpose, why should we bother living?"
Why do so many animals play?
It works for me Smile
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(02-07-2019, 10:04 PM)EvieTheAvocado Wrote: It doesn't beat being dead but it does beat dying.

[Emphasis added -- Thump]


How do you know that?
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#25

"If there is no objective purpose, why should we bother living?"
Why should I bother looking for an objective purpose? The subjective one is the one I actually enjoy.
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