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Historical Jesus, Biblical Jesus

Historical Jesus, Biblical Jesus
no dog in this fight lmfao
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More like no fight in that dog.


Anyway, a nice essay on the xmas bullshit story.


https://www.rawstory.com/2019/12/the-not...mas-story/


Quote:The not-so-virgin birth of the Christmas Story


Quote:Mainstream Bible scholarship tells us that the marvel-filled stories about the birth of Jesus don’t get referenced later in the New Testament because they were written after many of the books that follow them. When the books of the New Testament are arranged chronologically using the best information available, the gospels of Matthew and Luke are numbers 11 and 20 respectively. They come after letters that are believed to be authentic writings of Paul, for example, and after the gospel of Mark, which may have been a source for both authors but fails to mention an auspicious birth.

In addition, the birth narratives may have been late additions to the gospels themselves, which would explain why they seem forgotten later in the story. Evidence for this can be seen in how different versions of the gospels changed over time.
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(12-22-2019, 02:55 AM)Minimalist Wrote:
Quote:That's your opinion as an anti-Christian atheist.


That's where you are wrong, dumbass.  I'm an anti-religion atheist.

Does that somehow exclude you from also being an anti-Christian atheist?

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hmm anti-christian, a word with no meaning
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One needs to be all-inclusive when opposing assholes.  I do not discriminate against the morons you apparently love.
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give the guy a break, he can't identify lunacy
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yo @Free I was watching this documentary called the flintstones, you should check it out
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(12-24-2019, 04:24 AM)Free Wrote:
(12-22-2019, 02:55 AM)Minimalist Wrote:
Quote:That's your opinion as an anti-Christian atheist.


That's where you are wrong, dumbass.  I'm an anti-religion atheist.

Does that somehow exclude you from also being an anti-Christian atheist?

Facepalm
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(12-24-2019, 04:24 AM)Free Wrote:
(12-22-2019, 02:55 AM)Minimalist Wrote:
Quote:That's your opinion as an anti-Christian atheist.


That's where you are wrong, dumbass.  I'm an anti-religion atheist.

Does that somehow exclude you from also being an anti-Christian atheist?

Facepalm

All atheists are anti-Christian. And anti-Buddhist. And anti Muslem. And anti-Jewish. I just consider that all religions are nonsense. And "which one" is meaningless.
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At the end of the day, all bullshit is bullshit.
Robert G. Ingersoll : “No man with a sense of humor ever founded a religion.”
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(12-27-2019, 05:38 AM)Minimalist Wrote: At the end of the day, all bullshit is bullshit.

Bullshit is bullshit morning, noon and night!
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"If you are not eyewitness you are a false witness"-anonymous
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actually that last quote was from christer
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Certainly wasn't from a lawyer who knows that eyewitnesses are about as reliable a a $2 watch.
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(01-26-2020, 03:59 PM)Minimalist Wrote: Certainly wasn't from a lawyer who knows that eyewitnesses are about as reliable a a $2 watch.

Hmmm... from eBay @ $2.90 ea.

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You posted 3 hours ago and the hands still haven't moved.  Get your money back!
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I don't think that there was a historical Jesus.

I think that someone (possibly Philo, I'm just speculating) published Mark under a pseudonym as a sort of parody of Homer's Odyssey.

Someone else read it, took it too seriously, and it all spiraled out of control from there.
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Philo was dead long before this jesus fucker was invented.
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(06-10-2020, 05:31 AM)Minimalist Wrote: Philo was dead long before this jesus fucker was invented.

Historians contemporary to Jesus:

Philo of Alexandria c.20BCE-c.50CE
Florius Lucius 5 BCE-55 CE
Geminus 10 BCE-50 CE
Phaedrus 15 BCE-50 CE
Titus Livius 59 BCE-17 CE
Marcus Paterculus 19 BCE-31 CE
Pomponius Mela 15 BCE-45 CE
Valerius Maximus 10BCE-57 CE
Lucius Seneca 4-65 CE
Hero of Alexandria 10-70 CE
Appolonius of Tyrana 15-106 CE
Musonius Rufus 20-101 CE
Pliny the Elder 23-79 CE
Silius Italicus 28-101 CE
Quintillian 35-100 CE
Martial 38-102 CE

None of these guys wrote anything about him either.  Consider
“I expect to pass this way but once; any good therefore that I can do, or any kindness that I can show to any fellow creature, let me do it now. Let me not defer or neglect it, for I shall not pass this way again.” (Etienne De Grellet)
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(06-10-2020, 05:31 AM)Minimalist Wrote: Philo was dead long before this jesus fucker was invented.

Not really,Min.  He was a contemporary.  His brother donated the silver for the Temple gates in Jerusalem. I think his brother had some offial position in Jerusalem.  Philo went to  visit those gates about 5 years after Jesus died and still didn't write about Jesus or zombies walking the streets.  He had nothing to do with "Mark".
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(06-10-2020, 11:05 AM)Gwaithmir Wrote:
(06-10-2020, 05:31 AM)Minimalist Wrote: Philo was dead long before this jesus fucker was invented.

Historians contemporary to Jesus:

Philo of Alexandria c.20BCE-c.50CE
Florius Lucius 5 BCE-55 CE
Geminus 10 BCE-50 CE
Phaedrus 15 BCE-50 CE
Titus Livius 59 BCE-17 CE
Marcus Paterculus 19 BCE-31 CE
Pomponius Mela 15 BCE-45 CE
Valerius Maximus 10BCE-57 CE
Lucius Seneca 4-65 CE
Hero of Alexandria 10-70 CE
Appolonius of Tyrana 15-106 CE
Musonius Rufus 20-101 CE
Pliny the Elder 23-79 CE
Silius Italicus 28-101 CE
Quintillian 35-100 CE
Martial 38-102 CE

None of these guys wrote anything about him either.  Consider

Thank you. I am sticking that list near my front door. The Jehovah's Witnesses will go nuts!

I have told them I am an atheist and they want argue my claim that there was never a Jesus. They offerred a booklet about historians who said there was one and I never had a good list opposing them. Now I do, Wink

Made my day dude!
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(06-10-2020, 12:12 PM)Cavebear Wrote:
(06-10-2020, 11:05 AM)Gwaithmir Wrote:
(06-10-2020, 05:31 AM)Minimalist Wrote: Philo was dead long before this jesus fucker was invented.

Historians contemporary to Jesus:

Philo of Alexandria c.20BCE-c.50CE
Florius Lucius 5 BCE-55 CE
Geminus 10 BCE-50 CE
Phaedrus 15 BCE-50 CE
Titus Livius 59 BCE-17 CE
Marcus Paterculus 19 BCE-31 CE
Pomponius Mela 15 BCE-45 CE
Valerius Maximus 10BCE-57 CE
Lucius Seneca 4-65 CE
Hero of Alexandria 10-70 CE
Appolonius of Tyrana 15-106 CE
Musonius Rufus 20-101 CE
Pliny the Elder 23-79 CE
Silius Italicus 28-101 CE
Quintillian 35-100 CE
Martial 38-102 CE

None of these guys wrote anything about him either.  Consider

Thank you.  I am sticking that list near my front door.  The Jehovah's Witnesses will go nuts!

I have told them I am an atheist and they want argue my claim that there was never a Jesus.  They offerred a booklet about  historians who said there was one and I never had a good list opposing them.  Now I do,  Wink

Made my day dude!

Just tell them you're an apostate. They have to avoid you after that.
Don't mistake me for those nice folks from Give-A-Shit county.
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You're making the assumption that the absurd story that they concocted 40-100 years later is true.

First mistake.

As Gwaith noted, writers who were alive at the time (and there were far more than those listed) never heard of the fucker.  The gospels tales are anachronistic to first early first century Judaea.
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(06-10-2020, 10:36 PM)Old Man Marsh Wrote:
(06-10-2020, 12:12 PM)Cavebear Wrote:
(06-10-2020, 11:05 AM)Gwaithmir Wrote: Historians contemporary to Jesus:

Philo of Alexandria c.20BCE-c.50CE
Florius Lucius 5 BCE-55 CE
Geminus 10 BCE-50 CE
Phaedrus 15 BCE-50 CE
Titus Livius 59 BCE-17 CE
Marcus Paterculus 19 BCE-31 CE
Pomponius Mela 15 BCE-45 CE
Valerius Maximus 10BCE-57 CE
Lucius Seneca 4-65 CE
Hero of Alexandria 10-70 CE
Appolonius of Tyrana 15-106 CE
Musonius Rufus 20-101 CE
Pliny the Elder 23-79 CE
Silius Italicus 28-101 CE
Quintillian 35-100 CE
Martial 38-102 CE

None of these guys wrote anything about him either.  Consider

Thank you.  I am sticking that list near my front door.  The Jehovah's Witnesses will go nuts!

I have told them I am an atheist and they want argue my claim that there was never a Jesus.  They offerred a booklet about  historians who said there was one and I never had a good list opposing them.  Now I do,  Wink

Made my day dude!

Just tell them you're an apostate. They have to avoid you after that.

"Have To"? I didn't know that. But I enjoy wasting their time, and annoying them with awkward questions. Wearing my atheist hat...
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(06-10-2020, 11:46 PM)Minimalist Wrote: You're making the assumption that the absurd story that they concocted 40-100 years later is true.

First mistake.

As Gwaith noted, writers who were alive at the time (and there were far more than those listed) never heard of the fucker.  The gospels tales are anachronistic to first early first century Judaea.

What I think is funny is the story of the earth going dark for three hours.  I think it's in Mark, written around 70 AD?  A lot of Christians claim it was a solar eclipse that lasted 3 hours.  There's a problem though.  The crucifixion was on the eve of Passover which is always held on a full moon.  Solar eclipses always happen on a new moon.  

Besides that little glitch, no one anywhere on the earth noticed the sun going dark for 3 hours.  It's a story fabricated by storytelling, using telephone game to embellish it.
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