Theistic rants.

[Dānu]

By the degree of power.

What is a degree of power, how is it measured, and how does that make something unique?  You do understand what the word unique means, do you not?

The degree of power is such that no reasonable Creator would give to a normal person, but only to his chosen trustees.

And how much power is that? And why is a creator relevant -- do we need to know the specifics of this creator to determine a miracle?

[Link]

What is a degree of power, how is it measured, and how does that make something unique?  You do understand what the word unique means, do you not?

The degree of power is such that no reasonable Creator would give to a normal person, but only to his chosen trustees.

And how much power is that?  And why is a creator relevant -- do we need to know the specifics of this creator to determine a miracle?

You just need to know it's reasonable and not a dumb idiot to vest and give directly that much power to a liar.

[Link]

What is a degree of power, how is it measured, and how does that make something unique?  You do understand what the word unique means, do you not?

The degree of power is such that no reasonable Creator would give to a normal person, but only to his chosen trustees.

And how much power is that?  And why is a creator relevant -- do we need to know the specifics of this creator to determine a miracle?

The amount of power is such that he wouldn't trust just anyone with it, but his trustees.  There is no amount by centimeter or something like this. It's obvious.

[Link]

This also shows most hadiths regarding the dajjal's powers are fake.

[Dānu]

The degree of power is such that no reasonable Creator would give to a normal person, but only to his chosen trustees.

And how much power is that?  And why is a creator relevant -- do we need to know the specifics of this creator to determine a miracle?

The amount of power is such that he wouldn't trust just anyone with it, but his trustees.  There is no amount by centimeter or something like this. It's obvious.

It's not obvious to me. Saying it's obvious is just saying that you can't explain it. If you can't explain it, then it has no meaning, and you're being incoherent.

So, a miracle teaches us about God, but we must know about God in order to determine if there has been a miracle. That's a vicious circle that leads nowhere.

[Link]

And how much power is that?  And why is a creator relevant -- do we need to know the specifics of this creator to determine a miracle?

The amount of power is such that he wouldn't trust just anyone with it, but his trustees.  There is no amount by centimeter or something like this. It's obvious.

It's not obvious to me.  Saying it's obvious is just saying that you can't explain it.  If you can't explain it, then it has no meaning, and you're being incoherent.

So, a miracle teaches us about God, but we must know about God in order to determine if there has been a miracle.  That's a vicious circle that leads nowhere.

The miracle would be in an obvious manner that shows the power vested to this person, is to a trusted person by God.

[Link]

An example. Abraham put in the fire. Yet, nothing happens to him. If someone is immune like that, it's too much power, as he can do too much if not trusted by God.

[Dānu]

An example. Abraham put in the fire. Yet, nothing happens to him. If someone is immune like that, it's too much power, as he can do too much if not trusted by God.

How do you know it's too much power? Why is that too much power for it to be a natural effect?

[Dānu]

The amount of power is such that he wouldn't trust just anyone with it, but his trustees.  There is no amount by centimeter or something like this. It's obvious.

It's not obvious to me.  Saying it's obvious is just saying that you can't explain it.  If you can't explain it, then it has no meaning, and you're being incoherent.

So, a miracle teaches us about God, but we must know about God in order to determine if there has been a miracle.  That's a vicious circle that leads nowhere.

The miracle would be in an obvious manner that shows the power vested to this person, is to a trusted person by God.

Telling someone "it's obvious" is the resort of someone who doesn't know what they're talking about but is too narcissistic to acknowledge that fact.

[Dānu]

And you haven't broken the circle until you stop talking about God. Defining it in terms of God makes it circular, therefore vacuous, and without meaning.

[Link]

And you haven't broken the circle until you stop talking about God.  Defining it in terms of God makes it circular, therefore vacuous, and without meaning.

Okay.

[Dānu]

And you haven't broken the circle until you stop talking about God.  Defining it in terms of God makes it circular, therefore vacuous, and without meaning.

Okay.

You're okay with the things you've said being meaningless? No you're not. Now you're just a liar. Why should anyone listen to a liar?

[Link]

And you haven't broken the circle until you stop talking about God.  Defining it in terms of God makes it circular, therefore vacuous, and without meaning.

Okay.

You're okay with the things you've said being meaningless?  No you're not.  Now you're just a liar.  Why should anyone listen to a liar?

Okay.

[Dānu]

Okay.

You're okay with the things you've said being meaningless?  No you're not.  Now you're just a liar.  Why should anyone listen to a liar?

Okay.

Plugging your ears to reason simply shows everybody what kind of a person you are. You say okay because you can't defend the things you say.

Answer the question or stop spamming. If God can only be determined through miracles, but miracles can only be determined through knowing God, then how do we ever start?

[Link]

You're okay with the things you've said being meaningless?  No you're not.  Now you're just a liar.  Why should anyone listen to a liar?

Okay.

Plugging your ears to reason simply shows everybody what kind of a person you are.   You say okay because you can't defend the things you say.

Answer the question or stop spamming.  If God can only be determined through miracles, but miracles can only be determined through knowing God, then how do we ever start?

Okay.

[Dānu]

Okay.

Plugging your ears to reason simply shows everybody what kind of a person you are.   You say okay because you can't defend the things you say.

Answer the question or stop spamming.  If God can only be determined through miracles, but miracles can only be determined through knowing God, then how do we ever start?

Okay.

That's not an answer to the question. If you're not going to engage in discussion, don't start threads. This is spamming.

[Link]

You're whole debate is off topic. The rant is on the lines of if there were miracles in the past, why aren't they here, and how to assess the situation with no miracles.

[Link]

So I responded, but didn't need to, as it's a red herring.

[SYZ]

Fuck me drunk... this guy Link is a raving lunatic.

Or the simpleton who responds with the one word "okay" three times to
the same person. He obviously has trouble with the English language LOL.

Piss off moron.     

[Link]

You all too hot tempered to understand and gain wisdom. God is easily seen if one slits their tongue and humbles their heart. This rant was irrelevant to all that though.

[Dānu]

You're whole debate is off topic. The rant is on the lines of if there were miracles in the past, why aren't they here, and how to assess the situation with no miracles.

Yes, your rant started out "if" -- and I addressed the if head on. That's squarely on topic. If there never were miracles, the latter 'then' clause doesn't matter. If there were miracles then, then there are square circles now is true, logically, if there were no miracles. That's why you must address the if. Failing to address the if just makes your 'then' not worth listening to.

You have defined miracles in terms of God's characteristics. But God's characteristics aren't illuminated by natural events because natural events do not need to come from God. So the only knowledge we have of God can come from miracles. But if we need to identify miracles to know God, and we can only identify miracles from a position of knowing God, then we have no way to identify either miracles or God. This problem doesn't go away because you put it in the past. If miracles and God can't be known today, then they couldn't be known then, and everything miraculous in the Koran or the Bible is thus just made up bullshit. If you can't answer that conundrum, then you're not believing in God, miracles, and so forth because you have reason to believe in them, but just because doing so is emotionally comforting to you. Without reason, your beliefs are just a pacifier for your childish desires.

[Dānu]

You all too hot tempered to understand and gain wisdom.  God is easily seen if one slits their tongue and humbles their heart. This rant was irrelevant to all that though.

God is not wisdom. I can prove that. You think you possess wisdom? What on earth gave you that idea?

[Link]

You all too hot tempered to understand and gain wisdom.  God is easily seen if one slits their tongue and humbles their heart. This rant was irrelevant to all that though.

God is not wisdom.  I can prove that.  You think you possess wisdom?  What on earth gave you that idea?

God is wise, wisdom is from him, but not him. That's correct. I got enough wisdom to know not to disbelieve in my Lord for your ego trips.

[Bucky Ball]

This also shows most hadiths regarding the dajjal's powers are fake.

But the doopajupdas of the giantvaginas are not fake. 
They are real and powerful and full of miracle skank. 
The doopajupdas show the giantvaginas are miraculous.
You are not open to the giantvaginas as you need signs and need to stir up trouble as you desperately need attention.
The giantvagina sent you the dupajupdas to lead you to the Truth.

[Dānu]

I put "slits their tongue and humbles their heart" in Google to see if it came from some wise person or was just shit you pulled from your ass.

This is the top link on Google:

"Lick me."
"You want me to lick you?"
"Yes," she moaned as he pulled her underwear down so he could kiss her. His tongue traced along her slit making her cry out.
"You're so fucking wet," he groaned.

Far more logical than your silly incoherent rambling.