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  Its ethically totally ok as a christian to let migrants drown
Posted by: Deesse23 - 51 minutes ago - Forum: Atheism & Theism - Replies (4)

Yes, exactly that is the position of pastor Dr. Matthias Dreher of the protestant Melanchthonchurch Nürnberg.

He argues that while a good samaritan has to take care of poor victims, the migrants who put themselves in small rafts on the mediterranean are to blame themselves. Also by saving migrants in distres the coast guard plays into the hands of he (human) smugglers by keeping their business runing.

What a PoS Dr. Dreher is, what a pile of human garbage, and what a *good christian*. Pope

At least he is experiencing heavy backlash from his authorities, who are pretty much embarassed i guess. There are also rumors that he may be close to the Afd.

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  Guess His Well Wishes Didn't Help
Posted by: Minimalist - Yesterday, 11:24 PM - Forum: World News, Politics and Current Events - Replies (7)

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/10/ghislai...ed-report/

Quote:Ghislaine Maxwell loses court battle to keep her Jeffrey Epstein testimony sealed: report

Ghislaine Maxwell lost in court two different ways on Monday, the Miami Herald reports.
“A federal appeals court dealt Ghislaine Maxwell, the alleged madam to disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein, twin blows late Monday by declining to consolidate her appeals in numerous overlapping cases and striking down her effort to thwart release of a controversial deposition she gave in a now-settled civil lawsuit,” the newspaper reported. “The three-judge Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit held more than two hours of oral arguments last week, and issued a succinct Monday afternoon order holding that a lower court judge did not err in order the release of a 418-page deposition from April 2016 that could shed new light on the Epstein empire.”
President Donald Trump wished Maxwell well in her legal dramas.

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  Nano Adblocker just stole massive amounts of user data
Posted by: Aractus - Yesterday, 10:30 PM - Forum: World News, Politics and Current Events - Replies (4)

Wow, what a complete clusterfuck.

1. The developer "sells" the addon to unknown developers.

2. Gorhill and others quickly criticise him and warn of the potential danger to the user base (same link). Why would anyone want to buy a free GPLv3 licensed extension, when they could just fork it for free?

3. Developers add malicious code to steal user data and it looks like they stole usernames and passwords.

4. The extension has be marked as malicious and removed from the Chrome web store:

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  Casting a Biden Vote while Living with a Trumpist
Posted by: Glossophile - Yesterday, 06:32 PM - Forum: World News, Politics and Current Events - Replies (8)

My mail-in vote for Biden is officially en route to the supervisor of elections!  Although I've only been an active voter since 2012 (or maybe 2008), this is the proudest vote I've ever submitted, especially since I've come to believe my prior choices weren't the best, to put it gently.  I voted mostly if not entirely Republican up until 2016, when I couldn't bring myself to vote for either Trump or Clinton, so I voted for Johnson (the Libertarian candidate).  At the time, it wasn't nearly as clear to me as it is now that Clinton, for all her faults, would've been far better than Trump.  When Trump was elected, my main concern was that he would almost certainly sour international relations.  He's certainly done that, but given the havoc he's wrecked domestically, I now consider it among the least of my concerns about President Trump. 

Since I'm in a wheelchair and can't leave the house independently, I had to rely on my grandfather to actually put my signed and sealed ballot in our mailbox.  He is, regrettably, a Trump supporter, so we've had a few mini-debates, for lack of a better term.  His go-to argument seems to be that Trump has worked wonders for the economy, and he seems shockingly ignorant of scandals that I thought were common knowledge by now.  When I looked it up on Forbes, as I suspected, by at least some measures, we actually saw more growth under Obama than we have under Trump.  When I pointed this out, he argued that Obama had eight years while Trump has only had four.  He also seems to think that Obama spent most or all of his first term at least going on vacation at taxpayer expense, and when I pointed out that Trump has spent no small amount of time on publicly funded golf games, he argued that golf exercises the intellect.  He also seems to think that Trump is generously refusing any salary as President, to which my response was, "For the job he's doing, I wouldn't pay him either!"

This morning, he said that I'd essentially voted for Bernie Sanders, since Biden is apparently going to take his advice on everything.  I said, "I doubt that, but if he is, all the better!"  My grandfather ended up summarizing my atheism and antipathy towards Trump as two major weaknesses of mine.  He also reminded me that, at 87, he has much more experience than I do at 34 (almost 35).  I won't lie.  There's a part of me that wishes I could've said, "Yeah, and who has the PhD here?"  Still, even if that retort had occurred to me at the time, I most probably would've decided against it.  For starters, my expertise isn't in political science, economics, or any other relevant field.  And even if it were, I've made it a personal policy to do my best in resisting the use of ipse dixit fallacies, tempting though they may sometimes be.  Besides, it probably would've just prompted a spiel about how universities are bastions of liberal inculcation and propaganda.

Anyway, thanks for letting me vent.  I only hope it was interesting or at least entertaining.  I strive to be ever tactful in arguments, but talking politics with my Republican grandfather in the era of Trump has tested that tact possibly more than ever before, so it helps to blow off steam here, even if I am preaching to the proverbial choir.

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  Evo Morales’ party wins presidential election in Bolivia
Posted by: Aegon - Yesterday, 02:32 PM - Forum: World News, Politics and Current Events - Replies (4)

If you recall last year, democratically elected socialist Evo Morales was subject to a coup last year. Yesterday, his party won the presidential race. Anyone would like to take bets on how long it takes for the CIA to assassinate him?

https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbrea...329603cb20

Quote:Evo Morales’ party claimed victory in a presidential election that appeared to reject the right-wing policies of the interim government that took power in Bolivia after the leftist leader resigned and fled the country a year ago.


Officials released no formal, comprehensive quick count of results from Sunday’s vote, but two independent surveys of selected polling places showed Morales’ handpicked successor, Luis Arce, with a lead of roughly 20 percentage points over his closest rival — far more than needed to avoid a runoff.

“We still have no official count, but according to the data we have, Mr. Arce (and his running mate) have won the election,” interim President Jeanine Áñez — an archrival of Morales — said on Twitter. “I congratulate the winners and I ask them to govern with Bolivia and democracy in mind.”

Arce, meanwhile, appealed for calm in the bitterly divided nation saying he would seek to form a government of national unity under his Movement Toward Socialism party.

“I think the Bolivian people want to retake the path we were on,” Arce declared around midnight surrounded by a small group of supporters, some of them in traditional Andean dress in honor of the country’s Indigenous roots.

Pre-election polls had showed Arce ahead but lacking enough votes to avoid a November runoff, likely against centrist former President Carlos Mesa. To win in the first round, a candidate needs more than 50% of the vote, or 40% with a lead of at least 10 percentage points over the second-place candidate.

The independent counts showed Arce with a little over 50% of the vote and a roughly 20 point advantage over Mesa.

Even so, early returns — with 16% counted — from the formal official count had Mesa with a 44% to 35% lead over Arce on Monday. Those votes appeared to be largely from urban areas rather than the rural heartlands that have been the base of Morales’ support.

Arce, who oversaw a surge in growth and a sharp reduction in poverty as Morales’ economy minister for more than a decade, will face an uphill battle trying to reignite that growth.

The boom in prices for Bolivia’s mineral exports that helped feed that progress has faded, and the new coronavirus has hit the impoverished, landlocked Bolivia harder than almost any other country on a per capita basis. Nearly 8,400 of its 11.6 million people have died of COVID-19.

Arce also faces the challenge of emerging from the long shadow of his former boss, who remains polarizing but whose support enabled the low-key, UK-educated economist to mount a strong campaign.

Áñez.s government tried to overturn many of Morales’ policies and wrench the country away from its leftist alliances. Newly installed electoral authorities barred Morales from running in Sunday’s election, even for a seat in congress, and he faces prosecution on what are seen as trumped-up charges of terrorism if he returns home.

Few expect the sometimes-irascible politician to sit by idly in a future Arce government.

Bolivia, once one of the most politically volatile countries in Latin America, experienced a rare period of stability for 14 years under Morales, the country’s first Indigenous president.

A boyhood llama herder who became prominent leading a coca grower’s union, Morales had been immensely popular while overseeing an export-led economic surge. But support was eroding due to his reluctance to leave power, increasing authoritarian impulses and a series of corruption scandals.

He shrugged aside a public vote that had set term limits, and competed in the October 2019 presidential vote, which he claimed to have narrowly won outright. But a lengthy pause in reporting results fed suspicions of fraud and nationwide protests followed, leading to the deaths of at least 36 people.

When police and military leaders suggested he leave, Morales resigned and fled the country, along with several key aides. Morales called his ouster a coup.

Hoping to avoid similar confusion this time, electoral authorities said they would not release a quick count of results — merely the slow-moving official tally that they said could take five days.

All seats in the 136-member Legislative Assembly also were also being contested, with results expected to echo the presidential race.

“Bolivia’s new executive and legislative leaders will face daunting challenges in a polarized country, ravaged by COVID-19, and hampered by endemically weak institutions,” said the Washington Office on Latin America, a Washington-based human rights advocacy organization.

Morales led Bolivia from 2006 until 2019 and was the last survivor of the so-called “pink wave” of leftist leaders that swept into power across South America, including Brazil’s Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva and Venezuela’s Hugo Chavez.

Although outrage with corruption fueled a resurgence in right-wing politics, notably in Brazil, Arce’s victory is bound to reenergize the left, whose anthem of economic justice has broad appeal in a region where poverty is expected to surge to 37% this year, according to the United Nations.

Arce may have benefited from overreach and errors by Morales’ enemies. Áñez, a conservative senator, proclaimed herself interim president amid last year’s tumult and was accepted by the courts. Her administration, despite lacking a majority in congress, set about trying to prosecute Morales and key aides while undoing his policies, prompting more unrest and polarization.

“A lot of people said if this is the alternative being offered, I prefer to go back to the way things were,” said Andres Gomez, a political scientist based in La Paz.

Áñez dropped out at as a candidate for Sunday’s presidential election while trailing badly in polls. That boosted Mesa, who governed Bolivia following the resignation in 2003 of former President Gonzalo Sanchez de Lozada amid widespread protests.

The Trump administration, which celebrated Morales’ departure as a watershed moment for democracy in Latin America, has been more cautious as Morales’ handpicked successor surged in the polls. A senior State Department official this week said the U.S. is ready to work with whomever Bolivians select in a free and fair vote.

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  Two Weeks To Go
Posted by: Cheerful Charlie - Yesterday, 06:56 AM - Forum: World News, Politics and Current Events - Replies (30)

As of today, we have only two weeks to go until election day.  538 has Biden up by +9.6%.

Now time is short and the final push is on.  It is going to get frantic.  And it might start getting weird.  Usually, at this point in an election, the last few remaining undecideds start making up their minds.  Though this year, there seem to be fewer of them than any other presidential election cycle.  538 gives the Democrats a 69% chance of retaking the Senate. 

Will we see a last few flurries of dirty tricks and voter suppression?  Will the rifle toting right winged crazies end up intimidating voters as Trump "poll watchers"?  Will there be a long drawn out final count that sees packs of rabid lawyers working to throw the election count off?

Will election day end up being a real nightmare, with 10 hour long lines to vote in many places?  Irregularities?  Will riots break out if Trump seems to be losing?  This could get intense.

Are you ready for the final shit show to come?

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  Fuck Jesus
Posted by: GenesisNemesis - Yesterday, 03:27 AM - Forum: Atheism & Theism - Replies (27)

Friendly reminder that Jesus condoned putting children to death for cursing their parents.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...ersion=NIV

"5 So the Pharisees and teachers of the law asked Jesus, “Why don’t your disciples live according to the tradition of the elders instead of eating their food with defiled hands?”
6 He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written:
“‘These people honor me with their lips,
    but their hearts are far from me.
7 They worship me in vain;
    their teachings are merely human rules.’[b]
8 You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.”
9 And he continued, “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe[c] your own traditions! 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and mother,’[d] and, ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.’[e] "

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  1st person in Canada to be charged under the Quarantine Act
Posted by: Unsapien - 10-18-2020, 04:58 PM - Forum: World News, Politics and Current Events - Replies (9)

This is the kind of shit that makes me & my wife so fucking angry. And why I think more and more that our species is right & truly fucked.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canadaTPTSNBNwaT...-1.5763648

Ottawa long-term care worker charged under Quarantine Act

Quote:
Ottawa police have charged a 53-year-old long-term care home worker under the Quarantine Act after the woman returned to work four days after returning to Canada from a trip abroad.

Police didn't say where the woman works, nor what country she had returned from.

It's believed to be the first charge laid in Ottawa under the law, which requires anyone returning from another country to self-isolate for 14 days.
The maximum penalty for a summary conviction under the Quarantine Act is $300,000 and/or imprisonment for up to six months. If the Crown proceeds with an indictment, reserved for the most serious offences, a convicted person could face a fine of up to $1 million and up to three years in prison. 
Police said the woman returned to Canada on Sept. 26 and returned to work at the unidentified facility Sept. 30. Under the Quarantine Act, she should have remained at home until Oct. 9.
Police said when management at the home learned of the situation, they sent the woman home and "immediately activated mitigating self isolation and cleaning protocols and informed all persons that had been in contact with the subject."
Police said to date, no resident of the home has tested positive for COVID-19 as a result of the alleged breach.
The woman has been charged with failing to comply with an entry condition, and causing a risk of imminent death or serious bodily harm.
She is expected to appear in court Nov. 24.

This happened in the facility where my wife works. She was telling me about it when she found out it happened a couple of weeks ago. The woman was fired pretty much on the spot when management found out about it. Which for anyone that knows about Canadian labour laws isn't easy, especially when your talking about a govt operated & unionized shop.

We've been in quarantine 3 fucking times this year because of this covid shit.

First because in the early spring my wife worked closely with a staff member that tested positive, 2nd because a worker at my work tested positive, 3rd because my son came home with possible symptoms.

We are tired of seeing fuckwits being so fucking self centred, that they would put so many others at risk for their own personal satisfactions.

She worked there for almost 20 years! She wasn't some fucking noob on the job.

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Video Why I think Trump is hated
Posted by: JimBones - 10-18-2020, 01:46 AM - Forum: World News, Politics and Current Events - Replies (238)

First, some history.

Commodus 

... though the senatorial order came to hate and fear him, the evidence suggests that he remained popular with the army and the common people for much of his reign, not least because of his lavish shows...

...One of the ways he paid for his donatives (imperial handouts) and mass entertainments was to tax the senatorial order, and on many inscriptions, the traditional order of the two nominal powers of the state, the Senate...

...Cleander proceeded to concentrate power in his own hands and to enrich himself by becoming responsible for all public offices: he sold and bestowed entry to the Senate, army commands, governorships and, increasingly, even the suffect consulships to the highest bidder. Unrest around the empire increased, with large numbers of army deserters causing trouble...

...In 187, one of the leaders of the deserters, Maternus, came from Gaul intending to assassinate Commodus at the Festival of the Great Goddess in March....

...Early in 188, Cleander disposed of the current praetorian prefect, Atilius Aebutianus, and took over supreme command of the Praetorian Guard at the new rank of a pugione ("dagger-bearer"), with two praetorian prefects subordinate to him. Now at the zenith of his power, Cleander continued to sell public offices as his private business. The climax came in the year 190, which had 25 suffect consuls – a record in the 1,000-year history of the Roman consulship—all appointed by Cleander...

...In the spring of 190, Rome was afflicted by a food shortage, for which the praefectus annonae Papirius Dionysius, the official actually in charge of the grain supply, contrived to lay the blame on Cleander. At the end of June, a mob demonstrated against Cleander during a horse race in the Circus Maximus: he sent the Praetorian Guard to put down the disturbances, but Pertinax, who was now City Prefect of Rome, dispatched the Vigiles Urbani to oppose them. Cleander fled to Commodus...
Commodus had Cleander beheaded and his son killed. Other victims at this time were the praetorian prefect Julius Julianus, Commodus' cousin Annia Fundania Faustina, and his brother-in-law Mamertinus. Papirius Dionysius was executed, too...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodus

So Commodus, loved by the people, hated by the senate was eventually murdered. Commodus brought peace to Rome along with grand gladiatorial games.

His mistake was the attention he gave to the people and his distain for corruption within the senate. Commodus did not play the role of the conqueror, he wanted to rule for the benefit of the people at the expense of the senate. And for that, they killed him.

Trump has done what he said he was going to do. He refused to play politics with congress and do what he was hired to do. That's why people support him, because for the first time in a while, a president listens to the people. The US does not murder its leaders anymore, so the best option is to get him out of office....no matter what.

Trump is hated by congress, media, celebrities, democratic governors, social media platforms and even other world leaders. That's a good sign because people are still showing up at his rallies with lots of energy. The people is all that matters, not politics.

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  22q11.2 deletion syndrome research
Posted by: GenesisNemesis - 10-17-2020, 04:37 PM - Forum: Science, Engineering and Mathematics - Replies (13)

Stanford scientists solve secret of nerve cells marking a form of schizophrenia

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2...renia.html

Quote: When nerve cells aren’t busy exchanging information, they’re supposed to keep quiet. If they’re just popping off at random, like in a noisy classroom, it obscures the signals they’re supposed to be transmitting. 

But in the most common genetic cause of schizophrenia, it seems that nerve cells won’t shut up, Stanford University School of Medicine investigators have found. And they think they know why.

One in every 3,000 people carries the genetic defect called 22q11.2 deletion syndrome, or 22q11DS. It’s one of the most widespread chromosomal deletions known to occur in humans. People carrying 22q11DS are at an astonishing 30-fold risk for schizophrenia compared with the general population, dwarfing the magnitude of all other known genetic or environmental risk factors. Plus, some 30%-40% of individuals with this deletion receive a diagnosis of autism spectrum disorder early in their lives.
Until now, nobody understood why this deletion so profoundly elevates the risk for these conditions.

But experiments performed in a study published Sept. 28 in Nature Medicine have pinpointed a change in an electrical property of cortical neurons among carriers of the deletion that may explain how they develop schizophrenia, which is characterized by hallucinations, delusions and cognitive decline.

The scientists identified a single gene that appears to be largely responsible for the electrical abnormality.
 

This is the genetic deletion I was born with! No signs of schizophrenia for me yet, though. Or so the voices tell me...

Also I love to bring up genetic disorders whenever theists start yapping about how "intelligently designed" DNA supposedly is. 

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